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When do you fold AA?
Here are a couple of hands. The first one I think is questionable, the second one I think is clearer. Comments on all streets welcome.
Party Poker $50 No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> <font color="#C00000">UTG ($59.20)</font> Button ($25.25) SB ($45.45) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($45)</font> Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.75, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.5</font>, UTG calls $4, SB calls $4. Flop: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG calls $53.20 (All-In), SB folds, Hero calls $29 (All-In). Turn: ($110.20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: ($110.20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $110.20 Hand #2: Party Poker $50 No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> <font color="#C00000">Hero ($53.70)</font> <font color="#C00000">Button ($36.60)</font> SB ($40.50) BB ($67.70) UTG ($61.20) MP ($17.50) Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, Button calls $13. Flop: ($37.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, Button calls $18.60 (All-In). Turn: ($75.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: ($75.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $75.85 |
Re: When do you fold AA?
second one is automatic push
first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 |
Re: When do you fold AA?
hand #1 i raise more PF, fold as played.
#2 looks good. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
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second one is automatic push first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 [/ QUOTE ] do you really raise that much? |
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hand #1 i raise more PF, fold as played. [/ QUOTE ] Folding in hand #1 would be absolutely ridiculous. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
AQ, KK, and KQ play hand 1 like that. Unfortunately so does QQ but getting 2-1 I call a push here.
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Re: When do you fold AA?
You're obviously not folding either of these hands.
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Re: When do you fold AA?
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You're obviously not folding either of these hands. [/ QUOTE ] |
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second one is automatic push first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] second one is automatic push first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 [/ QUOTE ] do you really raise that much? [/ QUOTE ] I would certainly raise that much OOP. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
First hand I like calling the all in. Your opponent could have AQ or QK. If he flopped the nuts Q full of 3s he would not play the flop so fast, he would slowplay.
Second hand, it seems like your opponent really likes his hand so I would go all in preflop after he reraises you. Don't get fancy with the Aces, after all, they are only one pair. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] second one is automatic push first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 [/ QUOTE ] do you really raise that much? [/ QUOTE ] I would certainly raise that much OOP. [/ QUOTE ] I think its too much. I vote for a total of $6-$7. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] second one is automatic push first one raise more pre-flop for sure, bump it up to like 9-10 [/ QUOTE ] do you really raise that much? [/ QUOTE ] I would certainly raise that much OOP. [/ QUOTE ] I think its too much. I vote for a total of $6-$7. [/ QUOTE ] At this limit I routinely make it 10-15 and get multiple callers. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
Ur kiddin right, the big blind is 50 cent. Someone makes it 1.75 and you think youll get callers for a raise to 20-30 bb?
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Re: When do you fold AA?
I fold it preflop every now and then.. it makes me less predictable I think.
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Re: When do you fold AA?
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Folding in hand #1 would be absolutely ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You're obviously not folding either of these hands. [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: When do you fold AA?
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I fold it preflop every now and then.. it makes me less predictable I think. [/ QUOTE ] Actually a friend of mine, very good player, once told me that a good full ring limit player that needs to be more disciplined (learn to fold fold fold when the cards are not the right ones) can trim this in by for a session or two fold preflop every time he gets AA... |
Re: When do you fold AA?
I fold AA when preflop action diagrammed my hand as AA or KK, I have a deep stack (200BB+) and am up against another deep stack who pushes a ragged flop. Unless I know he will push any two here to push me off my AA in which case I call the sucker. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
*edit - I also sometimes diagram AA preflop with any 2 so that when he tries this I can fold and he'll think he owned me and so try it again and I can bust the sucker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] |
Re: When do you fold AA?
Hand 1:
[ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $1.75, Hero raises to $5.5, UTG calls $4, SB calls $4. [/ QUOTE ] A pot sized raise over UTG would have been .25 SB + .50 your BB + $2 UTG raise + $1.75 SB caller + $1.5 (you call) = $6, so a raise to $8 total (BB+call+raise) would have been "pot sized." I would recommend a raise to $8 total preflop. A raise like that would have probably left you heads up with UTG. After that, I don't think a hand like 3x is along for the ride unless it's 33 hoping for a set without good odds to do so. After that, I think you pay off UTG's QQ (full house), but you're ahead of everything else he might have here. Oh, and if I did the psr calculation wrong, somebody let me know. I've been working on how to calculate it. Hand 2 looks ok to me. |
Results
Hand 1: Villain has KQ. I win.
Hand 2: Villain has QQ. Unlucky flop, but I agree, I can't really get away from it. Knock the table and move on. Thanks for the replies. I guess you guys are right on hand 1. I have to push preflop. With a reraise like this, I obviously have AA, maybe possibly KK. He gets to call and push if he hits his set, or fold if not. I need to force him to make the tough decision for all of his chips preflop. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
I hope your kidding, if you want to be less predictable do it in your betting patterns not in folding AA pre flop retard
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Re: When do you fold AA?
Your friends obviosuly not a good player or he wouldnt fold AA pre flop! It dosent take a genius to know you never fold AA pre flop, EVER...
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Re: When do you fold AA?
I agree
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Re: When do you fold AA?
I'd play it as you did. It's not a flush draw flop. It's unlikely they called your riase with A,3, but A,Q is a likely hand you would beat. They might have KK. Only pocket QQ looks really ugly and sometimes you just have to gamble.
ON the second hand, I think again QQ. He didn't call your $13 raise with 56. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
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I hope your kidding, if you want to be less predictable do it in your betting patterns not in folding AA pre flop retard [/ QUOTE ] lol, you just called the guy who wrote the FAQ a retard. Welcome to the board, douchenozzle n00b. |
Re: When do you fold AA?
hand 1, pfr more. I usually call flop
hand 2, call and wish he had a bigger stack |
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