Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

i'm a SnG player and I 10 table the 50+5's.

my perception between sng's and ring games is that reads dont help as much for me in SnGs. i just play my cards. i play tight early, and then become a pushbot when blinds are big.

I heard that ring games are MUCH more read dependant. but i'm wondering is it possible to be a winning player at 10 tabling $50 NL w/o reads? if so, what $/hr?

THX

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

yes it is very possible. though doesn't make it eaiser obviously.

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

i 6-table for close to $45 / hr. this rate can only be done late in the evening when there are juicy tables. otherwise winrate is much lower since there are fewer atm machines dispensing cash.

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there are winning players 8-tabling $50, $100 and $200 NL full ring - not sure how many 6 max you can realistically play - I figure maybe 6

you will need:

2 hi res monitors
PokerTracker
PAHUD
very good concentration skills

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

i only do full ring since 6 max is even more read dependant.

just asking about $/hr for 10 tabling $50 NL full ring WITHOUT any reads?

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

I'd guess about 1/4 of what you could make 5 tabling with reads....that's if you make anything at all..

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i would recommend playing only two tables while trying to learn the game and climb limits as fast as possible.
once you feel comfortable at a certain limit add more tables.
esp. when coming from an sng background i dont think its a good idea to start out with some heavy multitabling. you will most likely make money but longterm i think the other approach is much better (IMHO)

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I heard that ring games are MUCH more read dependant.


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They can be, but they don't have to be. A lot of the game is still correctly reading the strength of your hand, reading the action, using your options, then waiting for your opponents to mess up.

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but i'm wondering is it possible to be a winning player at 10 tabling $50 NL w/o reads? if so, what $/hr?


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Yes, it is possible, particularly at slower full tables. I think it wouldn't be too hard to win 5 PTBB/100 by set-mining decently. There are other viable strategies that don't require much attention, either. If you buy in short, you can avoid most tough post-flop decisions and punish your loose opponents, much as in a tournament where your opponents limp too much.

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

I'm sure you could make decent money set mining but that isnt going to do anything for your game.

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I'm just curious but what is "set mining" ?
Thank you.

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I'm just curious but what is "set mining" ?
Thank you.

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not putting in significant portions of your stack without set or better.

Re: Possible to win at $50 NL 10 tabling w/o reads?
 

its possible to 10 table 5/10 nl successfully w/o reads. tha should answer your question.

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I 7 tabled 200nl 6max pretty drunk last night, still an easy game to beat playing basically abc. 10 tables at 50 should be a breeze with 2 monitors.

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I was a winning SNG player over the long term and I decided to learn how to play poker instead of being a pushbot.

I warn you before you try this, be careful. NL cash games are a completely different beast.

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I'm just curious but what is "set mining" ?
Thank you.

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Limp or call raises with pocket pairs. Don't bother to play most other hands. Hope someone pays you off when you hit a set.

There can be a lot of skill involved in getting the most, avoiding getting bluffed too much when you don't improve, and deciding when to raise yourself, but the point is that this strategy exploits a big weakness many people have of overplaying TPTK and overpairs. When Party switched to a 100 BB structure, many players were extremely vulnerable against this type of strategy. Many limit players have this weakness when they switch to NL.