Caution the ATM\'s?
 

When you're playing at a NL table online and you see an awful player just rebuy for the full buy-in for the 4th or 5th time do you ever give a little warning? I love winning money but I don't want the money of some gambling addict who can't feed his kids the next day or afford to go to college or something like that. I'm not looking to bankrupt anyone in a session, just take their hobby money in strides.

Usually when they are on their 4th buy-in I'll make a little remark like "Hey, you know this is a real money table right? The fake chips with unlimited buy-ins are down the hall." Ok so I like to antagonize people. But if they load again I'll get serious and say "Dude, seriously, you need to stop before you hate yourself."

Good idea or no? Sure they probably won't listen. And if they are not spewing their money to me they will give it away to someone else. If they continue to rebuy I'll still sit there and take it. But I still feel like I'm obligated to at least say something, right? Anyone else?

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Absolutly not. It's none of your business what people do with their money. I'd be pissed off as hell if someone made those kind of remarks to me.

Many poker players are recreational gamblers, and play poker the same way the play craps or blackjack, knowing they might lose, or they might get "lucky" and win. For all you know, the guy might be very wealthy and blowing off a few thousand at the poker table is just a way to have fun for him.

I can't beleive anyone would be such a presumtious (sp?) [censored] and tell people that they should "stop before they hate themselves"

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I could care less if people lose money they can't afford to at my table. Not my problem and I'll happily take my share of it. They wouldn't be sorry if they got lucky and beat the hell out of you - that's their goal. So screw them.

Jeff

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It's pretty damn rude to tell someone else how to spend their money. For all you know the guys rich as hell and is just playing for fun.

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All you have to do is think of it in terms of profit for yourself. Think of all the money you will be making.

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you don't have any concern for them, you are a dick with an ego.

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I don't care if some degenerate addict with a wife and kids just ended up spending his kids' tuition so that I can do another line of coke off another hooker's ass. Life aint easy and they can all die if they can't deal with it.

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Meh, I feel bad, but it's not going to prevent me from exploiting them.

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You're probably playing with more players like that than you think.

Unless this is a buddy and I know their situation personally, I could care less. I'm not obligated to say anything. Nor will I.

I play with addicts and degenerates all the time. If you're going to play this game seriously and for profit for any real length of time, get used to it.

btw...They won't care less about you when they are hitting hands and running amazing and you're rebuying for the 4th or 7th time.

Are you just finding out now that gambling is a brutal business?

b

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NUNCA

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Not just no, but hell no. Mind your own business.

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Wouldn't you rather lose it to you or another player rather than the casino?

A gambling addict with money in a casino is not walking out with it.

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I'm always the first to chime in and say "please don't give me any more of your money, it's of no use to me, and I'm sure you can find a way to use it in a more responsible fashion."

Wait, no. I'm not responsible for anyone playing foolishly. If they want to go broke and dump their entire roll at a table, it's +EV for me.

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When I see an ATM rebuying for the fourth time, about all I can do is giggle like a little school girl.
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of course not. this might be the dumbest subject ever

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Go ahead - only because I think that it steams them even more. Completely valid point that he'll just lose it to the rake or another player anyways. He's playing poker. He knows the risks.

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Meh, I feel bad, but it's not going to prevent me from exploiting them.

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Obviously, no.

Turn it around. There is probably something you do that you shouldn't. Smoke? Drink? Drive over the speed limit? Have unprotected sex? Waste time on an Internet poker forum? How would you like it if some self-appointed scold showed up to tell you not to do whatever it is that you want to do?

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I would prolly tell you to STFU if it were me at the table reguardless if it was myself who was blowing all the money or someone else at the table.

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I was recently in vegas and played my first B & M Tournament. NLHE $40 Buy in w/ $20 rebuy's. Everytime the pot got big this one guy was all in. After losing 4 times and rebuying he won his 5th all in. Not only did this give him a nice chip stack, it was helping to raise the overall number of chips at our table(for him to win later). Well lo & behold Mr all in was playing at the final table long after I was finished. I'm glad I never thought to say anything to this guy.

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Obviously, no.

Turn it around. There is probably something you do that you shouldn't. Smoke? Drink? Drive over the speed limit? Have unprotected sex? Waste time on an Internet poker forum? How would you like it if some self-appointed scold showed up to tell you not to do whatever it is that you want to do?

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That pretty much sums it up.

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Online? No way, you don't know anything about this guy.

Live? I suppose I could see it. I wouldn't feel comfortable saying anything myself, but if you know something about the guy you can maybe figure out if he's losing money he shouldn't be.

I play a fairly low limit live game 1-2 NL. Sure guys can blow off a few hundred and if they do that week after week it'll add up. But generally my supposition is that its small enough that these guys can probably afford it.

This week one guy commented before the game that he'd been running pretty bad (he's not a good player) and that it was hitting him in "the 'ole vacation money". What does that mean? Is it code for the rent money, does it really mean vacation money? Is this money he can afford to lose? How the hell do I know? At least he didn't seem particularly stressed over it.

Now if one of the regulars suddenly went on major steam and started doing things like challenging guys to go all in blind for all their stacks or to cut cards for the stack, and he'd blown off 2 or 3 buy ins in as many minutes and he was trying to goad somebody into doing it with him again, I might say something like, whoa guys, let's just play some poker. But that's probably about the extent of it.

--Zetack

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Unless you're talking about the nano and micro limits it's my experience that the lower the stakes the less they can afford to lose. As you get higher you deal with more people who are successful in life/career but just don't play poker well. At the lower stakes it's usually just some idiot, the image of the fun gambler who gambles only what he can afford to lose for entertainment purposes only is not very common.

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Some of you replying in this thread should be ashamed. Have a conscience. I'm not saying you have to be a saint at the table and come to the rescue of everyone losing money. Show you're at least a decent human being when the situation calls for it though. I.E. caution an obvious degenerate gambler who just can't seem to stop dropping money they can't afford to lose on a table.

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Do you play poker to win moral battles or make money?

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I used to live, and the stakes I was playing it was obvious these guys couldn't afford to lose 1500 in a session. I mean you can only say so much before you come across as GA counsellor...... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Some of you replying in this thread should be ashamed. Have a conscience. I'm not saying you have to be a saint at the table and come to the rescue of everyone losing money. Show you're at least a decent human being when the situation calls for it though. I.E. caution an obvious degenerate gambler who just can't seem to stop dropping money they can't afford to lose on a table.

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Who the hell are you to say that this ATM is an "obvious degenerate gambler"? In order to add more money to a game the player already has to have that cash available in his online casino account so this is money that he's already committed to gambling with. Even if he takes a few extra minutes to reload from Neteller, etc, you have no way to know that's what he's doing so you should just STFU and thank the lucky stars you have someone like that at your table.