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Last night I was playing in my weekly home $20 buy-in NL tournament, when multiple players made a claim that just dropped my jaw.


I raised the pot heads up with another player with AsKd when the flop came Ad-9d-2d. I lead out, and another player folded after about 2 minutes of thinking, but insisted we rabbit hunt. I didn't care, and a diamond came up on the turn and he showed disappointment that he missed his flush, but I showed my Kd, giving me the nut flush. The dealer went to the river and it was a 5th diamond, to which everybody was in awe. Another player came in and said to my heads up opponent "You folded a split pot!" as if it were a horrible play. I tried to point out that since I had the Kd that I would have won with an AK9** flush over AJ9**, but 3 of the 6 players were convinced that since the board had an ace high flush, it would have been split.

Just a little curious as to other bizarre claims similar to this that have players in other home games have made.

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What are they, retarded?

AK high flush beats AJ high flush

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The great thing about people who have played in very limited home games all their lives, especially if they have played quite often and have the arrogance of youth thrown in, is that they can be so very wrong about poker and yet be convinced that they are so very right. I once had a ten minute argument with a guy over whether a flush beats a straight. I finally hunted around for a pack of cards with the little "ranks of poker hands" card, and he still didn't buy it. A few weeks later I showed him a copy of Hoyle's with the poker basics. He accepted that most of the world played poker that way. He still thought he was right.

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Oh, I've played with people with that rule before. After I left someone else came and they believed him...

Here's some more rules they had the next couple times.

1)Heads up the small blind is the button. They said big blind.

2)They said it's okay to lock up a pot. (A and B call C's all in. B said "Do you want to have a side pot?" A said (Me) "Maybe, I don't know yet." B then says "YOU MUST DECIDE NOW!" You can't verbally say that.

3)If I have 75 in the button, blinds at 100 & 200, everyone folds to me. I go all-in, SB calls, BB checks. The main pot is 225 and the side is 250. If i'm in the sb with 75 and the everyone folds to me, I'm all-in and can only win 75 from everyone still in, right? They said I can win the BB from everyone....

People asked why i play with them the first time I posted that...

4)You have to turn your hand up with everyone but one person all-in right before the river? If I go all-in preflop and someone calls, we turn over the hands right? They were saying "it's optional..." and I said "Not in a tourney."

I found out this is optional in a home game, but usually you do flip.

So sadly, in this game of "Who's game knows the least?" I win. (One claims to play at Party and played small tourneys in Vegas....)

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Sometimes people are thick as a brick and no matter what you say or do... nothing will change.

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So where is this home game... think i can get in? (joke)

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One time I had A9 on the button, and limped in. BB had A2. Flop was A92, BB goes all in, I call. Long story short, they said (and everyone agreed but me) that since we each had 2 pair, with aces, that it was a split pot. This was a friendly game with my wife, my brother, and some friends, and I got told the next day how I was "just mean" trying to take that pot. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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In my former home game (no longer invited back) we played dealers choice where Omaha was an option after we got down to 8 players or less. A girl had three deuces as hole cards with a board of 2 8 K x 8. Her quads beat my full house of Kings over eights.

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Last night I was playing in my weekly home $20 buy-in NL tournament, when multiple players made a claim that just dropped my jaw.


I raised the pot heads up with another player with AsKd when the flop came Ad-9d-2d. I lead out, and another player folded after about 2 minutes of thinking, but insisted we rabbit hunt. I didn't care, and a diamond came up on the turn and he showed disappointment that he missed his flush, but I showed my Kd, giving me the nut flush. The dealer went to the river and it was a 5th diamond, to which everybody was in awe. Another player came in and said to my heads up opponent "You folded a split pot!" as if it were a horrible play. I tried to point out that since I had the Kd that I would have won with an AK9** flush over AJ9**, but 3 of the 6 players were convinced that since the board had an ace high flush, it would have been split.

Just a little curious as to other bizarre claims similar to this that have players in other home games have made.

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Years ago when I started playing casino poker in aroom just after it had opened i saw a women throwing a tantrum in the poker room. There was a flush on the board, but her opponent has a card of the suit that played and therefore had a higher flush than her. She was screaming at the floorman that she played in every poker room in vegas and this was split pot and he didn't know what he was doing.

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In my former home game (no longer invited back) we played dealers choice where Omaha was an option after we got down to 8 players or less. A girl had three deuces as hole cards with a board of 2 8 K x 8. Her quads beat my full house of Kings over eights.

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Classic.

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we dont play omaha once, but after a few of us got out of our main one we decided to play a quick omaha NL.

the board was something like 39944 and 2 of my friends went all in. one had AA2K the other had KK95. kk95 saw it and started taking the pot with his trips but then the other guy said- no! the best hand there was a full house but since you can only use 3 cards you couldnt have a full house! so that means you have to use your kings and i use my aces, so i win! we didnt really know what he was talking about, and he was pretty stubborn but after showing him proof a day or so later he paid the winner.

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There is a regular home game that I'll play in just for s/its & giggles because they are such guppies. Anyway, it's always dealers choice and with that comes the inevitible wild card games and then the inevitible 10 minute argument with the noob that thinks his 6 of a kind is the winning hand.

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I was playing NLHE at a pub one time, and one donk nearly folded the nut straight to a re-raise all-in because he forgot that a straight beats a set.

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an adendum to this post, the book "poker for dummies" has a good one in it's omaha 8 or better after this statment

"Beggining players often have difficulty in determining the best Omaha hand. Before you plunk your money down and get in a game, we recommend dealing out some hands and trying to identify the best high and best low hands"

There are 8 hands to the board 34597 player 4 has a sad 34q8 and the table identifying each players best hand says "Player 4, 2 pair 4s and 3s, no low hand", which while it's probably not going to get you half the pot player 4 does have an ugly 87543 low. The authors should follow their own advice.

And, in an NL holdem game my friend bet all in into the board A8888 and won the whole pot! Opponent made a pretty tight lay down.

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There is a regular home game that I'll play in just for s/its & giggles because they are such guppies. Anyway, it's always dealers choice and with that comes the inevitible wild card games and then the inevitible 10 minute argument with the noob that thinks his 6 of a kind is the winning hand.

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This reminded me of a mildly absurd home game I played where we were playing some variant of seven stud with some crazy amount of wildcards. The dumb thing was a straight flush was still the best possible hand. Five of a kind was not allowed for some reason still unknown to me. The best part was even after someone was showing a royal flush they tried to convince me to stay in the pot and draw when the best hand I could make now was four of a kind, like being second best with a monster was something to be proud of.

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The home game i used to frequent, before it got a bit better had this argument (or close to it) in a crazy wild 7stud game.

1 "No, It's my pot, I have 5 queens and you only have a royal"
2 "How the hell do I lose, I have 6 wilds?"

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There is a regular home game that I'll play in just for s/its & giggles because they are such guppies. Anyway, it's always dealers choice and with that comes the inevitible wild card games and then the inevitible 10 minute argument with the noob that thinks his 6 of a kind is the winning hand.

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This reminded me of a mildly absurd home game I played where we were playing some variant of seven stud with some crazy amount of wildcards. The dumb thing was a straight flush was still the best possible hand. Five of a kind was not allowed for some reason still unknown to me. The best part was even after someone was showing a royal flush they tried to convince me to stay in the pot and draw when the best hand I could make now was four of a kind, like being second best with a monster was something to be proud of.

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maybe the royal flush was considered the best hand b/c there's no such hand as 5 of a kind. no matter how many wilds you have, the hand rankings don't change, right? i've never seen 5 of a kind listed on one of those things...

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The home game i used to frequent, before it got a bit better had this argument (or close to it) in a crazy wild 7stud game.

1 "No, It's my pot, I have 5 queens and you only have a royal"
2 "How the hell do I lose, I have 6 wilds?"

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LOL

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There are 8 hands to the board 34597 player 4 has a sad 34q8 and the table identifying each players best hand says "Player 4, 2 pair 4s and 3s, no low hand", which while it's probably not going to get you half the pot player 4 does have an ugly 87543 low. The authors should follow their own advice.


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He does have an 87543 low, he uses the 8 and 4 from his hand and the 753 from the board or he uses the 8 and 3 from his hand and the 754 from the board. Same result.

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I have several teenaged cousins. When I saw them at a family reunion about a year ago, they were all into poker. I was playing with them and they decided to play Omaha. First hand, someone tries to claim the pot playing 3 from his hand. I had to break it to them that in Omaha we play "two from the hand, three from the board". Everyone of them honestly thought it was just 4-card holdem.

At least the lesson only cost them about 15 cents from their old cousin Tom and not a lot more to somebody online or in a B&M at some point in their future.

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I played in a home game one time where they had apparently watched a few rounds of hold 'em on TV and then just made up a bunch of rules. The goofiest bits:
-the 6th and 7th cards would be used to decide the winner in the case of a split pot
-players outside of the blinds don't have to pay the BB to see a flop - they can just check and see the flop for free
-it has to get checked around *3 times* before the betting round is closed [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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maybe the royal flush was considered the best hand b/c there's no such hand as 5 of a kind. no matter how many wilds you have, the hand rankings don't change, right? i've never seen 5 of a kind listed on one of those things...

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I hope you're joking. If not, this link and this link both show a 5 of a kind as being higher than a Royal Flush when wild cards are used. The other rankings are unchanged.

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mine:

NLHE game at a bingo club. guy insisted that it wasn't fair to have to post until after the flop. IF he would fold then see the flop, say "I would have played if I'd seen the flop". Also disagreed with burning cards. Of course, he played poker since he was 3 in casino's all over and we were all wrong.

Ace only counting as high in straights.

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If no one posts before the flop, why not just deal everyone their hole cards and the flop at the same time. In fact, at that point, why not just have it an automatic check to the turn and take out one of the key aspects of what makes poker, "poker".

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I think since it isn't general practice to play with wild cards...it is up to the house to define ahead of time whether 5 of a kind is a legitimate hand or not. My home game, we play best normal poker hand; since it is impossible to make 5 of a kind in a normal poker hand, it doesn't count - royal is the highest when we play wild games. Of course, those of us who play semi-seriously have gotten the game to non-dealer call, generally non-wild game status - now we play rounds of HORSE with Razz replaced by Omaha Hi/Low.

Once I played NL holdem at a casino night/Christmas party for a Home Building company - they had other casino games and you got raffle tickets commensurate with the amount of chips you had. In that game, the bb was not live and AKQJT was the highest possible straight, followed by A2345, since A2345 also has an ace in it...

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NLHE
Board: 72349

My hole cards: 77
Genius' hole cards: AK

Genius insists my set is beat by his wraparound K-4 straight.
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NLHE
Board: 72349

My hole cards: 77
Genius' hole cards: AK

Genius insists my set is beat by his wraparound K-4 straight.
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I almost got punched in the face trying to explain that you can't have 3 pair in Hold'em.

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I gotta think others have had to deal with a claim like this. We were just messing around with 5 card draw at a party, not even playing for money. Guy claims that either (or both) a 4 card flush or 4 card straight beats a pair. I, of course, tell him it doesn't. But wait, he says he's played with older guys that have played in card clubs before, and they say it's true, so it must be, right!?

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As long as the rules are set forth before hand, it should be OK. But 5 of a kind being the highest hand in a wild card game isn't unusual at all and is stated on any hand ranking chart you can find.

You'd really piss a newcomer to your game off if he had (7777-Joker) and you told him that he lost to a straight flush.

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My idea was to play it with Little League rules. No keeping score and everyone gets a t-shirt for a good sportsmenship

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the board was something like 39944 and 2 of my friends went all in. one had AA2K the other had KK95. kk95 saw it and started taking the pot with his trips but then the other guy said- no! the best hand there was a full house but since you can only use 3 cards you couldnt have a full house! so that means you have to use your kings and i use my aces, so i win!

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NOBODY wants to question the "winning hand" of AA?

-ZEN

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I enjoyed reading some of these. It doesn't matter how wrong a guy is, it's damn tough to convince him when it's his money in the pot. Add in the fact that he might have actually played that way for many years, and you've got a hard sell.

In my early days playing at home (15+ years ago), we didn't have any books, 2+2, or RGP. We just made things up as we went along, played funny games, and came up with our own funny rules. Probably the strangest was that We never wanted to split a pot. We'd look at naturals vs wilds, even the suits, all to make sure only one player got the pot.

I know better now. At least I can say we never allowed wrap-around straights. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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...Guy claims that either (or both) a 4 card flush or 4 card straight beats a pair...

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He may not be as confused as you might think. Some old-timers still play five card stud with a pair beat by four (consecutive) to a straight, and four to a straight beat by a bobtail (or Arkansas) flush.

I've never heard of those hands being worth anything in draw, though.

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He may not be as confused as you might think. Some old-timers still play five card stud with a pair beat by four (consecutive) to a straight, and four to a straight beat by a bobtail (or Arkansas) flush.

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Gotta ask, whats a bobtail flush? Four to the flush?

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New one...

I get invited by a friend into a tournament, and there's another new guy. After the first two hands, he questions why we're not dealing right. Apparently, "every game he has ever played", the dealer burned the first card before giving players their cards.


Ummmm.....?

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the other week i had a laugh at a NLHE tournament with some fish. at the turn the board shows a four straight flush. then out of nowhere, this guy groans and searches the muck for his hand. after the action is over, i say to him, wow, did you fold the straight flush? he says no, i folded a straight with an ace kicker.

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I played in a home game one time where they had apparently watched a few rounds of hold 'em on TV and then just made up a bunch of rules. The goofiest bits:
-the 6th and 7th cards would be used to decide the winner in the case of a split pot
-players outside of the blinds don't have to pay the BB to see a flop - they can just check and see the flop for free
-it has to get checked around *3 times* before the betting round is closed [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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That actually sounds like a pretty fun variant!

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On going argument at my garage game:
Dealer flips a card and the player has an option to either take it or get a new one or call a missdeal!
Idiots. They really cry when its an Ace!. I've had to get up and say "games over, everybody out!" before the regulars rally behind me and the rule that most already know. That turned up card is dead and they get the last card. Some morons want that turned up card to be the burn card before the flop also. It only takes a couple of sincere announcements that the game is over at 9:30pm to keep those knuckleheads in line. You have to be strict. I act like a jackass pitboss 1/2 the time with the ridiculous disputes, but my game is the most respected game going. No suprises. Someone is always going to try to manipulate the game/rules to their advantage. They make fun of me sometimes, but they always come back. I'm happier too.
Just my 2cent blind.
Accident

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Gotta ask, whats a bobtail flush? Four to the flush?

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Yep.

We've played with those rules a few times. I like to mix things up. If your players are complete aggressive donks or near professional level, it doesn't make much difference. If you've got a lot of decent amateurs at the table, however, it can add a fun extra dimension to a normally boring game.

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Some morons want that turned up card to be the burn card before the flop also.

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yeah, what morons. good thing you know so much about poker to keep them in line.

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Some morons want that turned up card to be the burn card before the flop also.

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yeah, what morons. good thing you know so much about poker to keep them in line.

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I dont really, I just read some rules online and played a few times in Vegas and try to keep it consistent. I'm no expert on casino etiquette