I know to never fold KK but...
 

Hero is UTG with KK and raises to 2.5, all folds to SB who raises to 4.5, Hero re-raises to 12, SB raises to 32. Can i fold now? What else is he reraising and leaving some in our stacks for? Could this ever be JJ or QQ?

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

You don't give stack sizes or level. But I think, when in doubt PUSH! His stats would help. But I don't let go of KK pf unless the guy is Lord Rock (I play 25-50NL)

And yes, I've seen this with JJ, QQ and even AK. A lot of donks slowplay AA at low levels.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

i've definitely seen this with 99-QQ, AK, AQ.

im putting all my chips in the middle, and if he turns over AA, well nh.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

After 2K hands at $50 max is KK one of my biggest loosing hands. And the reasen is exactly becaus of that! I go all in with KK and then lose against AA. KK is not that strong in a RR pot!

And the biggest pots I won with AA is against KK...

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

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After 2K hands at $50 max is KK one of my biggest loosing hands. And the reasen is exactly becaus of that! I go all in with KK and then lose against AA. KK is not that strong in a RR pot!

And the biggest pots I won with AA is against KK...

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if KK is one of your biggest losing hands then you've got some issues that to be resolved..

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

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After 2K hands at $50 max is KK one of my biggest loosing hands. And the reasen is exactly becaus of that! I go all in with KK and then lose against AA. KK is not that strong in a RR pot!

And the biggest pots I won with AA is against KK...

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2K hands is like 1-2 days for me... come back in another 20k hands atleast

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

Stack sizes in hand are like 120 bb's, $60

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

Oh and don't fold KK preflop unless he's a super rock with like 5vp$ip/1pfr or you're playing with scared money and its 3buyin effective stacks or more

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if KK is one of your biggest losing hands then you've got some issues that to be resolved..

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I like to belive that I been unlucky with KK in my small sample.. I had a win % with kk that was as low as 50%. And I think I have run into AA twice with this small sample.. Lets hope more hands mean better stats for me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

I know but my point was that you will loose alot if you do not fear AA sometimes. I atleast, would think twice if I got rereraised all-in from a rock if I had KK...

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

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if KK is one of your biggest losing hands then you've got some issues that to be resolved..

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I like to belive that I been unlucky with KK in my small sample.. I had a win % with kk that was as low as 50%. And I think I have run into AA twice with this small sample.. Lets hope more hands mean better stats for me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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true.. when your sample size grows it should (hopefully) get a lot better.

and yeah, with a rock rr'ing preflop i'd think - but for the average player, [censored] that i'm pushing!

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

You should run KK vs AA in a 6-max game about once every 10,000 hands. You will win 1 out of 5 of those, so you will only lose KK vs AA in 6 max 1 every 12,000 hands.

So to the 2nd poster who was complaining about his 2k hand downswing.... you sir, are a moron.

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Hero is UTG with KK and raises to 2.5, all folds to SB who raises to 4.5, Hero re-raises to 12, SB raises to 32. Can i fold now? What else is he reraising and leaving some in our stacks for? Could this ever be JJ or QQ?

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I don't think it is unreasonable to put him on AA-QQ, AKo, AKs. Against that range you are a favorite. With the added possibility that it is indeed AA you are probably about 50% or a slight dog.

Definitely worth a call here.

Now if there were raises and reraises with other players involved it would be a different story.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

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You don't give stack sizes or level. But I think, when in doubt PUSH! His stats would help. But I don't let go of KK pf unless the guy is Lord Rock (I play 25-50NL)

And yes, I've seen this with JJ, QQ and even AK. A lot of donks slowplay AA at low levels.

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I agree.. this exact play happened to me yesterday, villian had 99 (he spiked a 9) I would push all day with that. ahh finally got to vent that bad beat also.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

Doubled stacked, I don't think folding is a horrible idea. You'll see an overplayed QQ or AK here periodically but 75% of the time its the exact hand that you thought it was.

Single stacked I'm folding like never.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

at $25NL KK cant be folded. you would have to have a R,RR,RR in front of you and even then you need to think twice. This subject has really been exhausted already

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

its not 25NL and its not party

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

You will not see aces enough here to making this push incorrect , this is a push at almost any limit. He has AA o well.

Re: I know to never fold KK but...
 

I just pushed my AA vs. his KK the other day...

Guess what the flop-turn-river was???

RAG- KING- RAG.... KING - RAG....

YAY.

Just a small story that you're dogged if he has AA, but poker has a way of revealing that 18% in funny (not really funny to me at that time) ways...