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Maulik 11-22-2005 01:35 PM

Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 

So the results of this hand are great, not the point of this post. However, I'm not sure how to procede in this hand if I don't hit my turn card and have an overpair to the board. Is it lead again fold to a raise or check/fold?



FullTiltPoker (6 max) -
Seat 1: dirtycurty10 ($191.90)
Seat 2: iplay2winbig ($932)
Seat 3: clinton kid ($503.25)
Seat 4: Hero ($667.50)
Seat 5: EeZzeeMony ($776.95)
Seat 6: Fooge ($358.90)
iplay2winbig posts the small blind of $2
clinton kid posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [KK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Hero raises to $15
EeZzeeMony folds
Fooge folds
dirtycurty10 folds
iplay2winbig folds
clinton kid calls $11
*** FLOP *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $25
EeZzeeMony is feeling happy
clinton kid calls $25
*** TURN *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $60
EeZzeeMony is feeling normal
clinton kid raises to $120
EeZzeeMony is feeling angry
Hero calls $60
*** RIVER *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
clinton kid bets $232
Hero raises to $507.50, and is all in
clinton kid calls $111.25, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $164.25 returned to Hero

11-22-2005 01:38 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
Lead again folding to a raise is my default line here. This depends strongly on player type however.

arod15 11-22-2005 01:42 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
[ QUOTE ]

So the results of this hand are great, not the point of this post. However, I'm not sure how to procede in this hand if I don't hit my turn card and have an overpair to the board. Is it lead again fold to a raise or check/fold?



FullTiltPoker (6 max) -
Seat 1: dirtycurty10 ($191.90)
Seat 2: iplay2winbig ($932)
Seat 3: clinton kid ($503.25)
Seat 4: Hero ($667.50)
Seat 5: EeZzeeMony ($776.95)
Seat 6: Fooge ($358.90)
iplay2winbig posts the small blind of $2
clinton kid posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [KK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Hero raises to $15
EeZzeeMony folds
Fooge folds
dirtycurty10 folds
iplay2winbig folds
clinton kid calls $11
*** FLOP *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $25
EeZzeeMony is feeling happy
clinton kid calls $25
*** TURN *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $60
EeZzeeMony is feeling normal
clinton kid raises to $120
EeZzeeMony is feeling angry
Hero calls $60
*** RIVER *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
clinton kid bets $232
Hero raises to $507.50, and is all in
clinton kid calls $111.25, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $164.25 returned to Hero

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PUKE your line sickens me. I dont care about the results.. Your running good, but trust me in the long run what you did is -EV.......

Bukem_ 11-22-2005 01:45 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
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PUKE your line sickens me. I dont care about the results.. Your running good, but trust me in the long run what you did is -EV.......

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Umm.. Am I missing something?

Maulik 11-22-2005 01:46 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
give me a better line you fish, don't criticize something I'm unsure about.

arod15 11-22-2005 01:49 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
[ QUOTE ]

So the results of this hand are great, not the point of this post. However, I'm not sure how to procede in this hand if I don't hit my turn card and have an overpair to the board. Is it lead again fold to a raise or check/fold?



FullTiltPoker (6 max) -
Seat 1: dirtycurty10 ($191.90)
Seat 2: iplay2winbig ($932)
Seat 3: clinton kid ($503.25)
Seat 4: Hero ($667.50)
Seat 5: EeZzeeMony ($776.95)
Seat 6: Fooge ($358.90)
iplay2winbig posts the small blind of $2
clinton kid posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [KK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Hero raises to $15
EeZzeeMony folds
Fooge folds
dirtycurty10 folds
iplay2winbig folds
clinton kid calls $11
*** FLOP *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $25
EeZzeeMony is feeling happy
clinton kid calls $25
*** TURN *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
clinton kid checks
Hero bets $60
EeZzeeMony is feeling normal
clinton kid raises to $120
EeZzeeMony is feeling angry
Hero calls $60
*** RIVER *** [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
clinton kid bets $232
Hero raises to $507.50, and is all in
clinton kid calls $111.25, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $164.25 returned to Hero

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Sorry i meant to right this about your other post with the open ended draw. Maulik IM me the links i got confused

arod15 11-22-2005 01:51 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

PUKE your line sickens me. I dont care about the results.. Your running good, but trust me in the long run what you did is -EV.......

[/ QUOTE ]
I typed this in the wrong thread...
Umm.. Am I missing something?

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Leptyne 11-22-2005 02:29 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
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Lead again folding to a raise is my default line here. This depends strongly on player type however.

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I agree. Do not check the turn. This is a sign of weakness and any decent player will immediately attack.

11-22-2005 03:07 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
Do you think there is any merit to checking the flop?

11-22-2005 03:09 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
There are too many straights draws for me to like this line. Also you will often get called on this flop by a pocket pair figuring you for a continuation bet.

11-22-2005 03:16 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
Sure, not sure it applies but there is a post by el diablo where i think he has qq on a paired board and he suggests checking the flop/betting the turn. i cant find the link so if you want to read up you'll have to search for it. i think it applies here somewhat, because it keeps the pot in check.

ajmargarine 11-22-2005 03:23 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
[ QUOTE ]
Sure, not sure it applies but there is a post by el diablo where i think he has qq on a paired board and he suggests checking the flop/betting the turn.

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That depends on flop texture. If you have QQ, and the board is JJ4r...or you have AA and the board is QQ2r, checking behind might be prudent. OP's board is coordinated for broadways and so betting the flop is best, IMO.

beavens 11-22-2005 03:30 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
i dont understand why anyone has a problem with his line.

maybe a larger turn bet, but i like it.

my question is, what would you have done if you didnt boat up on the turn?

Taciturn 11-22-2005 03:53 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Lead again folding to a raise is my default line here. This depends strongly on player type however.

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I agree. Do not check the turn. This is a sign of weakness and any decent player will immediately attack.

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Why is this a bad thing? Hero's hand can beat a bluff and he as position. By checking the turn with the intention of calling a reasonable river bet, hero may sometimes induce a worse hand to bet...

I don't see how this line will cost hero much (if any) more if he is behind, as the pot will also be kept smaller.

11-22-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Bet Turn UI? 6-max 2/4
 
i don't disagree with the flop bet, just asking if another line is better? i personally would check the flop and call the turn and river if bet to and bet both if checked to.

this is unimproved.


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