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11-22-2005 08:59 AM

How should u play this?
 
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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Correct to raise? Or should i raise maybe later at turn?

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.
Because i raised the flop, should I check or bet here?

River: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.
Is it better then to fold here?

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

11-22-2005 09:09 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
*grunch*
I'm not experienced in 6max so I don't know about the flop-raise. I don't think you win anything by it, though. You probably won't make him fold and if he has an A you will have him in the hand all the way to the SD.
Because you raised, I think the bet on the turn is correct.
Without a read it is hard to say if villain is calling down a weak Q or some A fearing that you have a better kicker. Therefore he might figure that you don't have an A when another one hits on the river. But he could think the same thing holding some Q. So I would make the crying call too.

bosoxfan 11-22-2005 09:11 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
I don't play 6 max, but will you ever not be shown an ace here?

adsman 11-22-2005 09:12 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
When BB folds and it goes heads up, I take the way ahead, way behind line here, (WA/WB). Basicly, if villian has an Ace you don't want to be raising and risked getting reraised - the hand could get very expensive. But if he hasn't got an Ace, a weaker Q for example, then you want him to keep putting money in the pot. So, call the flop, call the turn and call the river. The second Ace falling on the river makes it less likely that villian has one, so I call without a problem here at 6max.
Welcome to the boards.

11-22-2005 09:14 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
With no read on the SB, best guess from his pf call and OOP flop bet is that he played a weak A. Check the turn &amp; only check/call the river.

11-22-2005 09:14 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
I wouldnt raise on the flop. Call down. Need a read, but give the SB preflop play probably has Qx.

beaster 11-22-2005 09:35 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
grunch

You've got middle pair with a high kicker on the flop. If your opponent has the ace he's not going anywhere, so a raise is incorrect. Have you determined if you should call? You may be behind here. I see 5 possible outs here -- 2 Q's and 3 Ks. If I can remember correctly the pot needs to lay you 8:1 to call. It's not quite there, but you could stand to pick up some extra bets if you hit, so I would call.

Check your odds on the turn again if you whiff. If he bets, you'd have to fold. If he checks, check behind. Check/fold on the river.

jrz1972 11-22-2005 09:42 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
I don't like the combination of raising the flop and betting the turn. You are basically never folding out a better hand, but you do stand a decent chance of running off a worse hand, so this isn't the time to get aggressive.

I agree with adsman that WA/WB is a good line here.

@bsolute_luck 11-22-2005 09:42 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
w/o reads, hand is fine though i'm tempted to raise that river and fold to a 3-bet.

ArturiusX 11-22-2005 09:54 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
Call as he keeps betting into you. Reasons:

1) If we raise now, we may push him off worse hands, including Qx.

2) Raising gives him a chance to 3-bet.

3) We want a cheap showdown, and all the outs we can see vs Ax.

4), and this is the key: There's no scary cards to come. No overcards, no draws, so we're not concerned about pushing draws or anything. Cheap cards are fine by us.

ArturiusX 11-22-2005 09:56 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
Oh, and how you played it, I fold the river. He aint betting with anything you beat. A bluff almost always check raises.

11-22-2005 10:02 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
Thanks for the reactions! Indeed threre aren`t many outs if he has an A. But because of my PF raise with KQ Suited, which i raise quite often especially in MP and LP, i think i had to be agressive at the flop too.

On second thoughts it is quite obvious at 6 max that someone has an A. So that i could better call down the board. Or when I raised the flop to check the turn and check-call the river.

11-22-2005 10:05 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
grunch...

just call this down as long as you remain ui

beaster 11-22-2005 11:11 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
Tried to edit my original but apparently I can't.

I didn't realize this was 6max. My advice was based on full ring, which may or may not apply here.

MrWookie47 11-22-2005 11:15 AM

Re: How should u play this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Tried to edit my original but apparently I can't.

I didn't realize this was 6max. My advice was based on full ring, which may or may not apply here.

[/ QUOTE ]

You might just surprise yourself with how much full ring applies to 6 max.

ArturiusX 11-22-2005 10:22 PM

Re: How should u play this?
 
Its not about whether has the A. 6max is all about seeing showdowns. You'll be good a decent % of the time here, so why put in bets if you're behind?

trainslayer 11-22-2005 11:21 PM

Re: How should u play this?
 
I usually play it exactly the same. And I aint too sure that's a good thing. Villian usually turns over a weak ace and I feel like an idiot.

trainslayer 11-22-2005 11:36 PM

Re: How should u play this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Call as he keeps betting into you. Reasons:

1) If we raise now, we may push him off worse hands, including Qx.

2) Raising gives him a chance to 3-bet.

3) We want a cheap showdown, and all the outs we can see vs Ax.

4), and this is the key: There's no scary cards to come. No overcards, no draws, so we're not concerned about pushing draws or anything. Cheap cards are fine by us.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree w/all of this...

[ QUOTE ]
He aint betting with anything you beat.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't agree w/this...

Depending on reads, I'll make this play if I KNOW villian is passive enuf to fold to this scare card. And I've seen others make the same play. I agree it usually means I'm beat but I'm getting to the point where I always make the call. (and usually get shown the weak A. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] )


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