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Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (6 handed) converter

Hero ($26.20)
BB ($11.40)
UTG ($38.25)
MP ($7.15)
CO ($8.75)
Button ($29.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($1.95) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.75.

Turn: ($5.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $18.95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...

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fold, move on.

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call, hit the 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], go allin. Poker's easy.[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

That really stinks, but there's really no way you can call this unless you know villian to be an idiot [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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fold, move on.

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That was my first instinct too, but then I realized that since the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] was out there it became much less likely that he had a flush, since even at 6-max, the only possible hand he could have had that would raise UTG that made a flush was KQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and even that isn't very likely.

Do you see the possibility of AxK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here?

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I don't think I'd ever fold a 3 flush at NL25 unless I had a specific note on the player.

Call. A9/AT/TT/99/A4/T9/44 all play this way.

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That really stinks, but there's really no way you can call this unless you know villian to be an idiot [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Disagree.

Reads would be nice. A decent player may try to move hero off his hand by representing the flush, maybe with a big diamond as a backup. And a decent player would make a real raise like this. A poor player probably minraises a flush. Or slowplays it. I get all-in here. Take your medicine for not folding preflop, which you should have done.

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all-in at this level...I expect him to have 2-pair or trips enough to make it worthwhile, or even AJ or something.

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I am not so sure folding is so cut and dry here either.

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but youre beat by 5dxd and up.. do you really want to bet your stack on the worst possible flush? (barring that 5d doesnt hit on the river)

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but youre beat by 5dxd and up.. do you really want to bet your stack on the worst possible flush? (barring that 5d doesnt hit on the river)

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The whole point is that we do not think villain has a flush. Hero's flush is well disguised, so it is quite possible villain is making a play at the pot. You very rarely see a made flush play this way at these stakes. I would not be the least bit surprised to see villain have a set here with one diamond or some other hand that Hero has beat.

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but youre beat by 5dxd and up.. do you really want to bet your stack on the worst possible flush? (barring that 5d doesnt hit on the river)

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The whole point is that we do not think villain has a flush. Hero's flush is well disguised, so it is quite possible villain is making a play at the pot. You very rarely see a made flush play this way at these stakes. I would not be the least bit surprised to see villain have a set here with one diamond or some other hand that Hero has beat.

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i dunno.. just seems like we're killed here by a larger flush

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Take your medicine for not folding preflop, which you should have done.

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I was thinking about folding pre-flop. I'm trying to get out of the habit of playing drawing hands OOP against PFRs but that's clearly not working.

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In 25NL, you will very frequently see someone slowplay a hand like AA or TT here, bet a very small amount, and then throw their whole stack in the middle when they no longer have the best hand. A flush is possible, but this can just as easily be a slowplayed set or two pair. I think the element of doubt along with the way the whole hand played out makes me lean towards calling here.

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Fold preflop. But I can't imagine ever folding this on the turn.

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At 25NL it's pretty unlikely the villian is moving all in to make a play... they just don't think that way at this level. If the villian had a big flush... they usually sandbag/donkey raise it to try to get some value.

It's a LOT more likely that he has two pair or a set, I call, willing to lose a buy in knowing that if we played that hand on 10 separate occasions I'd be making good money.

And moments like this is why you have a bankroll.

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Just curious, why are you playing 23s heads-up from the small blind? In my opinion this is the second worse possible hand there is for heads-up AND you are out of position for the entire hand.

Even with the suitedness, it is not a multiway pot to get flush or straight odds.

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My thinking was that it was a small raise with deepish stacks, which was a bad line of thinking and a clear leak in my game.

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Not to nitpick but isn't 0.85 a pot sized raise in 25NL?

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Take your medicine for not folding preflop, which you should have done.

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I was thinking about folding pre-flop. I'm trying to get out of the habit of playing drawing hands OOP against PFRs but that's clearly not working.

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Even if you decide to play drawing hands OOP, make sure that they have maximum spread. Since you have 23s it severly reduces the chances of flopping a 15 out draw, which makes it even more of a fold.

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Take your medicine for not folding preflop, which you should have done.

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I was thinking about folding pre-flop. I'm trying to get out of the habit of playing drawing hands OOP against PFRs but that's clearly not working.

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You now see the situations that this leak puts you in. Since you actually played with this, you got the board you wanted, calling the all-in is your only option at this point. The good news for you is villain probably does not have the flush (yet).

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I don't see a fold here...sure you shouldn't have played this in this situation, that's clear, but you hit the cards you needed...push this in, I don't see a bigger flush here very often, but I do see a scared two pair or scared trips, probably without a diamond hoping he doesn't get drawn out on. I think your good here and if he had those other two diamonds hope on of them isn't that 5 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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All-in baby. Given that he raised preflop and the A of diamonds is on the board it is pretty unlikely he has a flush compared to his other raising hands that include made hands/semi-bluffs/bluffs.