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Marat 11-21-2005 06:08 PM

Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
1. Hand

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

2.Hand

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

River: (5.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

3. Hand

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

4. Hand

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

11-21-2005 06:11 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1---Bet on the river.
Hand 2---Fold preflop depending on a read. You should have bet on teh river.

car ramrod 11-21-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
raise in hand 1, what hands do you think he has?

raise in hand 2

hand 3 is ok

hand 4 is tough, but since BB just woke up, I think you can fold.

11-21-2005 06:13 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 3--good
Hand 4--Dont like the 3bet on the flop.

Blunderfull1 11-21-2005 06:16 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1: I wouldve capped the flop, but its ok if you didnt. If you dont cap the flop, then you must check raise the turn. You would bet the river too.

Hand 2: I wouldve bet the river, but I will get called by something worse.

Hand 3: I fold the flop, but you called. So you should just call him down. WA/WB line is correct.

Hand 4: It seems good, but I would bet out on the flop. Everything else is good.

madscratch 11-21-2005 06:25 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Grunch.

I think you have to raise the turn in hand 1. If villian fires back at you then let's call him down. You're only losing to KK and villian has AK far more often. Our set is good here way too often to not push it.

Hand 2 I think our hands are tied. We're OOP and the flop missed us. I'm making a crying call on the river.

Hand 3 I'm folding after the flop. The pot is small and I don't think our 5s are good often enough to make this worthwhile.

Hand 4 I'm seriously considering folding this preflop. But once we're in the hand I think I play it the same way. If I'm smart/weak I check river and call a bet, but I probably bet because I think we have the best hand. I don't put him on AQ. Does villian really have a 6? What 2 pair? Did he wait 'til the river to raise a set?

11-21-2005 06:35 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
*grunching*

Hand 1: Preflop is marginal but not too bad. Check-raising is fine, but I think you could cap the flop and then lead the turn.

Hand 2: Bet the river.

Hand 3: I think you could fold this flop with two overcards to your pair and a small 1-card flush draw.

Hand 4: Raise preflop. I like postflop play all the way. When the BB wakes up on the river it looks like a straight, but I would pay off anyway.

masse75 11-21-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1: bet out the flop. There's no way he puts you on a set of 3's, and he probably raises with TPTK. On the button, he can be on a variety of hands: a middle pair, or ragged AQ.C/R the turn, and bet/raise away on the river. Best I'd put him on is top two.

Hand 2: no major disagreement. I might've bet out first on the river. Top pair with decent kicker with threat of trips. More likely check/call and fold to any raise.

Hand 3: Fold the flop. SB probably on a 1-card draw like you, but you're only ahead of 2 other flushes.

Hand 4: 1 bet for the possibility of winning 13. Think you're 8% to win? Probably lost to a donked straight or made 2-pair. I call and kick myself later, but worth a crying call.

mxer7734 11-21-2005 06:42 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1 - Either cap flop and lead turn or just call the 3-bet and C/R the turn. Your hand is far too strong to be just calling the turn and checking the river. Just because he 3-bet you doesnt mean he has trip jacks or kings. AK or KQ is very likely here.

Hand 2 - Bet river. Why are you checking there?

Hand 3 - Fold flop, you have a flush draw that is very very unlikely to win if hit. You are getting 7:1 and need a 5 for a set, and you will likely either be already beaten or outdrawn by the river. Easy fold.

Hand 4 - Raise PF, lead flop.

Stealthy 11-21-2005 06:47 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
*Grunch*

Hand 1 I hate with a passion! Lead the flop, raise every time you can and keep your cursor on that bet/raise button every step of the way. There is no good way to check-raise the turn here as you force too many players to cold call so just keep betting, raising and leading.

Hand 2 I play the same, cannot see any other way. Overcalls is better than raising and finding yourself dominated.

Hand 3 is normally a fold pre-flop but as you seen to be in a loose passive games then OK. Fold the flop though. Chasing with the 5 of hearts on this board in a tiny pot sucks.

Hand 4 I tend to fold this pre-flop to a raise unless the raisor raises too many hands then I will 3 bet it. The check-raise on the flop is OK I think but once you get check-raised yourself on the river you are ahead almost never. Can't be too critical of the crying call though for just one more BB. But given that you yourself showed strength by check-raising the BB always has the 6 here.

EDIT: Did not see that you check/called hand 2 on the river I thought you had called an early bet. Betting out here is far better.

tassie 11-21-2005 06:47 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
1. Raise turn. Bet river.
2. No problem with that.
3. I would definately fold this on the flop. There are too many players to act after you to call with such a weak hand. You might end up having to call a raise.
4. Check/call river.

TheKentock 11-21-2005 06:49 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Ok....

Hand 1- I'm just not giving this guy credit for an overset. He could have 3-bet this with several hands that you beat. I cap the flop and lead the turn.

Hand 2- Come on. Bet that river. and when someone bets it behind you, raise it!

Hand 3- There are 3 people to act behind you on this flop, you have a drawing hand that is drawing to one of the worst flushes possible. I turbomuck here.

Hand 4- I fold this unsuited preflop and I lead the flop. As you played it, the turn and river are fine.

POKhER 11-21-2005 06:50 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1,

Please cap this flop, then bet the turn.. Then call down a raise.


Hand 2 - Bet the river.

Hand 3 - Fold the flop please.

Hand 4 looks standard.

GG.

numeri 11-21-2005 06:53 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1: Why did you slow down so quickly?

Hand 2: I bet the river and fold to a raise from CO.

Hand 3: I fold the flop. You're drawing to a 1-card low flush with players yet to act.

Hand 4: You should probably fold to the river without a read. Sucks, though. This is rarely a bluff with a player trapped in the middle.

Marat 11-21-2005 06:56 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
1. Hand - I won this hand, but a was scared by MP2...he almost never bets and i lost big pots to him... :-(

2. Hand - I won. CO had AQo.

3. Hand - pure read calling.SB is maniac.He bluffing every flop. I won. He had K3d.

4. Hand - I lost. :-( BB had JTo.

TheKentock 11-21-2005 06:58 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Results aren't important, but the read on hand 3 goes a long way to explaining why you would call down here. In the future include reads like this in your original post so the board can make more informed decisions

11-21-2005 07:02 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1,

Please cap this flop, then bet the turn.. Then call down a raise.


Hand 2 - Bet the river.

Hand 3 - Fold the flop please.

Hand 4 looks standard.

GG.

[/ QUOTE ]

hand 1: Why would you call down a raise? What about this board leads us to believe our set is no good. I would bet/raise as much as he'd let me.

11-21-2005 07:03 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
[ QUOTE ]
3. Hand - pure read calling.SB is maniac.He bluffing every flop. I won. He had K3d.

[/ QUOTE ]

Include the reads in your OP. Just because you won the hand doesen't mean you played it right. You were behind here but drawing to 11 outs. Often it will be a lot worse.

[ QUOTE ]
4. Hand - I lost. :-( BB had JTo.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes it looked like a straight, but the pot was too big to fold IMO. By raising preflop at least you would have given him a chance to fold.

CourtJester 11-21-2005 07:11 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Hand 1: Dont C/r, just bet out and hope to 3 bet, lead turn if he caps and if its heads up call down, if there are more players raise, you have 10 outs to improve if he has JJ or KK
Hand 2: Depending on UTG2's stats, i might raise pf to isolate, with how you played it, i think a river value bet is good (i dont think i want this checked through), and call a raise.
Hand 3: Hopefully its a good loose table that this limp is good, post flop i think the only way you're winning this pot is raising somewhere, and w/o reads i think its a fold on the flop, a 5 high flush is nothing to be proud of.
Hand 4: You have to open raise KQo, the hand plays differently after that, if button is still aggresive after that and when i cap the flop, calling down should be fine, reads are very useful here aswell.

mxer7734 11-21-2005 07:28 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
[ QUOTE ]
you have 10 outs to improve if he has JJ or KK


[/ QUOTE ]

If he has JJ or KK we are drawing to one out - the other 3.

Greg J 11-21-2005 07:31 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Please ignore me -- I obviously cannot read.

TheKentock 11-21-2005 08:13 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
He was in the BB, someone else open-limped from MP2.

AlmightyJay 11-21-2005 08:15 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
I'm betting out on the flop in hand 1, although I'm also folding preflop. You played it way too passively. Cap the flop, unless you have strong reason to believe that you can check/raise the turn for more money. You need to bet your sets more strongly, what are you afraid of here?

Nothing too interesting about hand 2.

Hand 3, I'm folding preflop, and DEFINITELY folding the flop. A 5-high, one-card flush is not very strong. This is major spewing.

Hand 4, I think if you're going to play that hand here, you have to raise it. You don't want a bunch of limpers behind you.

Greg J 11-21-2005 08:17 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
Whoops. I have been reading a lot of things wrong lately. Please ignore me! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

11-21-2005 08:27 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
*grunch*

Hand 1: Bad call preflop. There's no reason not to cap preflop. MP2 has called 2 cold on the flop, he might call two more, and you know the button is calling. After check-raising the flop you have to bet the turn IMO. Since you didn't you need to raise and keep trapping the button. The river check is horrible. Theres no reason to give them a free showdown when a non-scare card hits the river.

Hand 2: You MUST lead this river here, you just hit top pair! Anyone who also hit the K is calling here, so bet it for value. I would probably bet the turn as well to get a few folds and to try and scoop the pot if no one has anything.

Hand 3: I'm folding on the flop, given there are 3 players left to act behind you.

Hand 4: I'd probably raise preflop here if the table is fairly fishy. I also like leading the flop here since you flopped TPGK. TP isn't a good enough hand to trap with IMO, but I could be wrong. I HATE calling BB's raise on the river, but I guess you have to. Looks like you beat by a T to me though.


Try not to post 4 hands in the same thread please, I think 1 or 2 hands at a time in the forum is standard normally.

Steve

11-21-2005 08:39 PM

Re: Some hand from $1/2 level. Please for critique....
 
1. Put large weight on bet/raise button.
2. Bet the river
3. Fold preflop. If not, fold the flop.
4. I raise preflop. You can fold the river.


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