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Karak567 11-21-2005 02:33 AM

What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
Couple scenarios, 6max, assume everyone has the same stack.

UTG raises to 4x BB, folded to you on the button, what do you reraise with?

UTG raises to 4x BB, 2 callers, folded to you on the button, what do you reraise with?

Button raises, you are in the SB, what do you raise with?

These are juts a few example scenarios, feel free to make up your own...

11-21-2005 03:07 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
depends what type of player UTG is.

soah 11-21-2005 03:21 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
You're asking all the wrong questions.

yvesaint 11-21-2005 03:40 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
depends on:

UTG
callers
my image
my recent history

pokerjoker 11-21-2005 03:47 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
senario 1. Anytime of the past 15 times SB raised and I reraised him from BB he folded. In this senario I would reraise with any two.

senario 2. UtG only raises with AA. It is folded around to me in BB. I never reraise.

and every situation inbetween.

Karak567 11-21-2005 04:00 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
Assuming UTG is an unknown.

I'm sorry guys I am just trying real hard to adapt my game from SNGs, where it is very sharp, to NL cash, where it is very dull.

I apologize for coming across as a donk :-).

The_Bends 11-21-2005 06:44 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
Against one player it is entirely siutational. If he's bad then I'm raising with a wider range to stop the blinds from being interested. If he's tight/good then I'm only reraising with AA/KK/QQ and maybe AK/JJ.

Against a range of players then I'm only reraising with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK and maybe AQ/TT unless I have a specific feeling that the table folds to reraises too often.

xorbie 11-21-2005 06:51 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
You'll do fine never ever raising PF against unknowns. Seriously.

11-21-2005 08:18 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
i think it has alot to do with the limit to

.10nl 4xBB usually means one of 3 things ive learned KK, AA, or AK, anything over that usually means QQ or lower and not wanting a call, because at theses table everybody limps and bets the pot when there hand is made

at 1$ table i am learing the smallest preflop bet i should make is 6$, anything less than that im learing they will call, and chek fold to the flop unless they hit 2 pair
and c-betting the pot on the flop under most cicurmstances

i think 4$ under most cases is a un made hand, or middle pair

so i would reraise with TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK, and maybe even AQ AJ, if he is TAG and if i know i can get him out off his hand when the flop comes

but the old cliche i think is the best thing to say here
"you play the player not the cards"

zaphod 11-21-2005 08:34 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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You'll do fine never ever raising PF against unknowns. Seriously.

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Do you mean reraising?

Anyway care to explain?

xorbie 11-21-2005 09:11 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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You'll do fine never ever raising PF against unknowns. Seriously.

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Do you mean reraising?

Anyway care to explain?

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Yeah I meant reraising. And there's not much to explain. In general, you don't really need to reraise PF, because you're usually going to make back that equity by having a well concealed hand.

zaphod 11-21-2005 09:46 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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You'll do fine never ever raising PF against unknowns. Seriously.

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Do you mean reraising?

Anyway care to explain?

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Yeah I meant reraising. And there's not much to explain. In general, you don't really need to reraise PF, because you're usually going to make back that equity by having a well concealed hand.

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First of all, i guess you will be reraising when there are several players in the pot right? Playing AA out of position vs 3 players does not seem fun. So i guess you are talking about just calling vs one opponent here..


So following senario: Raise from CO, you call out of the BB with AA. Flop:
K74.

Since your hand is concealed aren't you more likely to loose all of your stack(or a lot of your money) when your opponent hits his set? Or do you mean that you get more back the times when your opponent overplays his weaker hands like AK?

Or another example:
You hold KK in BB, raised from CO, you call. Flop:

Axx.

How good do you feel your hand is here vs an unkonwn opponent?

I would think that it was more important to raise vs unkowns since you don't know what their action on later streets means. Is this wrong?

vulturesrow 11-21-2005 10:24 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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In general, you don't really need to reraise PF, because you're usually going to make back that equity by having a well concealed hand.

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This is something that I have recently really come to appreciate. Obviously there are always exceptions but Ive found myself reraising less recently. It is really effective playing shorthanded.

11-21-2005 10:51 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
If the situation comes up where I decide a re-raise is in order. Its usually AA,KK,QQ or AKs. I guess simply put, If I had record of all my re-raises. 95% would be those hands. (Warning: Wild ass guess)

There'ssituations, based on:
Opponents style and playing ability
Positions
Stack Sizes
Images

That make re-raising other hands a good idea, and make re-raising with the above hands a bad idea.
But if your just starting out, you wont get into too much trouble re-raising with those 4.

Isura 11-21-2005 11:02 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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In general, you don't really need to reraise PF, because you're usually going to make back that equity by having a well concealed hand.

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This is something that I have recently really come to appreciate. Obviously there are always exceptions but Ive found myself reraising less recently. It is really effective playing shorthanded.

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Or you could take the other route, and regularily reraise with sub-premium hands. I do this quite a bit, and it seems to be more effective than "slowplaying" big hands preflop.

Morrek 11-21-2005 11:33 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
If I think I'm ahead of the raisers raising-hand range then I usually reraise in position, although this is usually QQ+ and AK unless he's a known loose raiser. I do this to become the aggressor of the hand and to put more money in when I'm favourite.
Some could argue that a wider reraising hand range is better but I like it on 100nl and below

swolfe 11-21-2005 11:44 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
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Or you could take the other route, and regularily reraise with sub-premium hands. I do this quite a bit, and it seems to be more effective than "slowplaying" big hands preflop.

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i've been using this approach too. it's a pretty effective way of defining opponents hands for fairly cheap and generating a lot more fold equity for continuation bets.

it also disguises your hand very well when you end up going against someone that actually does have a hand.

vulturesrow 11-21-2005 11:51 AM

Re: What hands are you willing to re-raise with preflop?
 
Isura,

I think it is a very situational thing. I sort of alluded to this, but I think it can be really good in shorthanded situations. Full ring (which I almost never play anymore) I am more inclined to just raise. I have definitely gone the route you described depending on the table texture. As everyone here knows, it just depends. But I do think what xorbie posted has some real merit and people should probably take the point into consideration.


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