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beavens 11-20-2005 02:29 PM

advice on line
 
No reads/stats as he just sat a few orbits ago.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($20.15)
Button ($23.25)
SB ($35.70)
BB ($34.45)
UTG ($31.90)
MP ($73.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, Button calls $1.75.

Turn: ($6.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

River: ($14.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $14.60

Was somewhat put off by the possible straight on the board, but would he raising pf with a 5 in his hand?

What do you think about the river check?

Is that too weak, should I have value-betted it?

How do the other streets look?

Thanks!!

jkkkk 11-20-2005 03:13 PM

Re: advice on line
 
Bet the flop, turn and block the river.

beavens 11-20-2005 03:22 PM

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Bet the flop, turn and block the river.

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sorry, could you explain 'blocking'?

Mercman572 11-20-2005 03:29 PM

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Bet the flop, turn and block the river.

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sorry, could you explain 'blocking'?

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a bet that you make in hopes that it won't be raised and so that you decide the price of the showdown. Usually 1/2-2/3 pot size. You make a blocking bet when you don't know if your hand is good, but want to show down. If a blocking bet is raised, you fold.

jkkkk 11-20-2005 03:30 PM

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Bet about half the pot and fold to a raise (unless hes super aggro with crap on the river). It basically allows you to extract value from lesser hands and get away for cheapish when your beat.

beavens 11-20-2005 03:31 PM

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Bet the flop, turn and block the river.

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sorry, could you explain 'blocking'?

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a bet that you make in hopes that it won't be raised and so that you decide the price of the showdown. Usually 1/2-2/3 pot size. You make a blocking bet when you don't know if your hand is good, but want to show down. If a blocking bet is raised, you fold.

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ah - great explanation - thanks!

Publos Nemesis 11-20-2005 03:32 PM

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i prefer c/c. if you are willing to bet 1/2 to 2/3 of pot then you should be willing to call that much. the problem with the blocking bet is that you dont show down if he reraises you with the 5. if you check / call then you can get to a showdown more cheaply.

swolfe 11-20-2005 03:47 PM

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definitely bet the flop. the check-raise is too strong and will generally only be called by a strong hand. you're letting AX get away too easily.

despite the PF min-raise, you don't really have any reason to expect that Button will bet the flop and even if he does bet, it may only be a small amount (like .75), when really you want a pot sized bet on the flop. bet the flop so that you're in control and can build a pot...you need to get all your money in with sets as much as possible.

EDIT: the way it played out, i think Button had an AXs two pair.

beavens 11-20-2005 03:49 PM

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definitely bet the flop. the check-raise is too strong and will generally only be called by a strong hand. you're letting AX get away too easily.

despite the PF min-raise, you don't really have any reason to expect that Button will bet the flop and even if he does bet, it may only be a small amount (like .75), when really you want a pot sized bet on the flop. bet the flop so that you're in control and can build a pot...you need to get all your money in with sets as much as possible.

EDIT: the way it played out, i think Button had an AXs two pair.

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so you think i got a little too cute with it, and shouldve come out firing?

hand results to come in a few posts.

Finite_Risk 11-20-2005 04:25 PM

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I never got past your avatar

Finite_Risk 11-20-2005 04:28 PM

Re: advice on line
 
Only conceivable hand (other than 66) I see him with is A5 that beats yours.

For those blocking here...if hero bets 9 and gets raised can he really fold this given stacks are small enough that it would basically be a minraise?

pokerjoker 11-20-2005 04:30 PM

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Given stack sizes I bet a $5 on turn then push river. If villan pushed river would you call? If answer is yes then push it yourself.

beavens 11-20-2005 04:47 PM

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Given stack sizes I bet a $5 on turn then push river. If villan pushed river would you call? If answer is yes then push it yourself.

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i think i would have to.. just don't put him on 5x

results:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($20.15)
Button ($23.25)
SB ($35.70)
BB ($34.45)
UTG ($31.90)
MP ($73.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, Button calls $1.75.

Turn: ($6.60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

River: ($14.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $14.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 2d 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Button has As Qh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $14.60. </font>

Finite_Risk 11-20-2005 04:56 PM

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If villan pushed river would you call? If answer is yes then push it yourself.

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I think this is leaving value on the table...take this hand. If hero bets 7-10 on the river, AQ might call...if he pushes I bet villian folds AQ.

Lucky 11-20-2005 07:03 PM

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Bet river. He's going to check his Ax, dont let him. Figure out what he'll call and bet it.

As for how i would play hand, i may:

1. bet flop, call raise; c/r turn
2. c/c flop; c/r turn
3. If he's a donk, i would bet flop, then 3 bet his raise.

pokerjoker 11-20-2005 07:05 PM

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If villan pushed river would you call? If answer is yes then push it yourself.

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I think this is leaving value on the table...take this hand. If hero bets 7-10 on the river, AQ might call...if he pushes I bet villian folds AQ.

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look at stack sizes. If played like I said $10 is essentially a push.


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