OT: HOW can i prove i\'m not a BOT???
 

So I requested a cash-out on November 12. The typical time for a cashout request to be processed is around 24-48 hours, no? (the cashout was made to Neteller). So I call support and they say the account is "under investigation", they ask for a copy of a driver's license, so I go along with them and send them a copy. Two days later nothing has happened. After numerous calls to their investigations department I finally come to find out that they have irrefutable evidence that my account actually IS under the control of "AI". They say they have sent 20-30 pop up messages (the ones where they screw with the letters so bots cant interpret and you type the word in), they also say that on numerous occasions I have made actions at 4-5 tables simultaneously (like within mili-seconds), they also try to convince me that they have talked to a person "associated" with the account and that they have admitted to a "BOT" being in use.

I am not a BOT, I have never used a BOT, I wouldnt have the slightest idea of how to create a program or even where to find such a program.

So now (after I deny said charges) they send the situation to the next level for further investigation.

Comments/suggestions?

I am just venting because I was also a jerk and the acccusation is crazy so I really would like some advice.

thanks.

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"finally come to find out that they have irrefutable evidence that my account actually IS under the control of "AI"."

Tell them that if they "knew" you had a bot then your account would already have been closed. Tell them to stop d!cking you about and send you the money you sweat for.

Tell me this isn't party, after all they don't take much action against colluders, pretty bad if they start busting our balls accusing us (serious, fair players who pay them a $hitload of money) of being bots, WITHOUT any evidence.

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Tell them if you were a bot you'd never ever be offline. Or maybe they'll just call you stupid too and ask for more 'evidence'.

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What poker site was this?

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What poker site was this?

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Since they are talking about the popups with the LSD lettering, I think it's safe to say it is Åarty.

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If everything you say is true then you shouldnt have a problem. Just give it time and be persistant.

If I were in your shoes I would be pissed and screaming at someone.

The only thing you have to worry about is if you are lying to us and you really have some sort of bot-helper.

Do you 10 table? how many hours a day do you play?

There must be a reason why party has singled you out. Find that reason , explain and your off the hook.

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they also say that on numerous occasions I have made actions at 4-5 tables simultaneously (like within mili-seconds)

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just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

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and another thing...if you've already checked one of the action boxes, you could easily have multiple decisions made in milliseconds. what a bunch of pricks.

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I agree with bawcerili, with packet routing, switching, and revolving lag time on the internet connection receiving your response packets is not any hard evidence of when exactly your respond. Put that on top of the fact that you can act in advance (check mark your response), that response carries no validity. Good luck!

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just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

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I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't implement the check as you're describing. I'm pretty sure that they'd be checking the OP's system clock and timestamping the GUI's response to a mouse click.

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just because that's when their servers received your packets, doesn't mean you made those decisions within milliseconds. and if you have two ISP's then that would make even more sense.

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I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't implement the check as you're describing. I'm pretty sure that they'd be checking the OP's system clock and timestamping the GUI's response to a mouse click.

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somebody's a nerd

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Reverse psychology.

Tell them you ARE a bot.

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and another thing...if you've already checked one of the action boxes, you could easily have multiple decisions made in milliseconds. what a bunch of pricks.

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Every explanation I gave to his questions were never acceptable for him. Indeed he was a prick and I did my fair share of yelling to no avail. He was like a police investigator trying to trick me into admitting something I didnt do and not listening to anything I said. We talked for like an hour and I asked what he wanted me to do and he said he just wanted me to admit everything to make it easier on myself. Apparently he must get a $1000 bonus or something for every confession he can get.

Now, I know there really isnt anything they should be able to do as I have done nothing wrong, they can't prove something that hasn't occured etc. But what really bothers me is that if they are allowed to use tactics like this, who knows what else they're capable of and I don't like thinking about that when my (earned) money is at stake.

P.S. It was Party

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"But what really bothers me is that if they are allowed to use tactics like this, who knows what else they're capable of and I don't like thinking about that when my (earned) money is at stake."

This really sucks, but I'd put up with it. I think somebody either messed up or is just being a complete [censored].

"Every explanation I gave to his questions were never acceptable for him"

Everytime he said something I'd just say "I want to speak with your supervisor" and that I have better things to do with my time than argue on the phone vs someone who's obviously already made their decision, with no evidence to support it.

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Everytime he said something I'd just say "I want to speak with your supervisor" and that I have better things to do with my time than argue on the phone vs someone who's obviously already made their decision, with no evidence to support it.


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This was the supervisor [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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maybe you just don't know you're a bot.

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This really sucks. He was the supervisor? I can click insane speeds, what if they think Im a bot too? I havent even had the box test yet, but with years of Starcraft playing I can click at speeds not known to this world.

I don't know what you can do in this situation. They somehow have "proof" and obviously are not listening to your case.

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Send them a mail saying:

Syntax error.

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Dear juicyv_gina,

After several years of careful research, we have determined that your account was under the control of "AI", which is clearly against the rules here at Partypoker. We have tried to explain this to you over the telephone, but your constant denials have annoyed us so your account has been permanently banned, and all of your funds have been confiscated. The same has been done for your partner, player "Gigabet". We do believe in second chances, however, and will generously allow you to continue to play the exciting new blackjack and sidebet options on our site. Enjoy!

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Our Customer Care Department is available 24/7 to assist you.

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Dilan Dikshit
Poker Customer Care

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lol finally a funny gimmick acct.

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I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Dude at least ask for Shana Hiatt. n00b

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I guess next time I'll have to say "I want to talk to Mike Sexton" [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Dude at least ask for Shana Hiatt. n00b

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Shana's still asleep, whe had a longggg night [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Also it turns out theres nothing to worry about, mine and both my roomates' accounts are now locked. No big deal, I'm pissed.

12 hours until Nahasapookipakomikar Navagantikianti informs me of the "final decision."

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Possibly send a PM to Mike O'Malley here on 2+2.

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If this is a bluff attempt by party then I am all-in if I am you.

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If this is a bluff attempt by party then I am all-in if I am you.

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LOLzorz! I think they have you covered!!!

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you back at the tables pergesu?

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Call and them and no matter what be nice. Explain your situation to the person and just tell him that you're an honest guy, that you'll do anything they want you to do to prove them you didn't do anything wrong, that you're sure this is just a misunderstanding you want to clear out just as much as them.

Tell them they're free to come to your house and analyze your computer, whatever...

I don't know how much you have @ PP, but I guess it's prolly enough money for you to throw your pride out the window and be very nice to those MFs.

If they tell you there's nothing you can do, ask them (again, be nice) to send you the info they have that in their view proves that you used a bot. Explain that you'll have a specialist look at the report and you'll get back to them.

Depending on how they react, wait a few days and call them back and start threatening to not only sue them, but publicizing what happened to you big time (send press releases to every single news show in America saying that PartyPoker cannot be trusted, yadda yadda yadda - I'm sure one of them will find the story very interesting).

GL.

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you back at the tables pergesu?

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nope, I just think Shana Hiatt is more +EV than Phil Sexton

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are you a bot?

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nope, I just think Shana Hiatt is more +EV than Phil Sexton

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Pergesu--I think you should return to playing.

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You must change your legal name to Juicy Vagina & show up at Party HQ, picture Id in hand. I fear it is the only way.

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I hope this gets resolved for you. Do you know why you were singled out? Still I am comforted to know party checks up on these things . I had no idea about the LCD letters thing, and I had often worried about bots taking over.

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Can we use bots against the aliens?

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LOL

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Can we use bots against the aliens?

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Not unless we want our account to be frozen.

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Perhaps you are a bot. But it sounds like they are holding something back. I don't think their case is as air-tight as they are trying to make it sound (acting strong when weak).

It seems that the time for talk is over. Get a good lawyer that can force partypoker.com's hand.

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Since they are talking about the popups with the LSD lettering, I think it's safe to say it is Åarty.

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Did anyone ever work out how you get these? I still have never had one.

Lori

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They say they have sent 20-30 pop up messages

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Asshat, you just "missed" this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over????

Seems pretty clear to me that you were using a bot, as any real person would just answer the popup. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I hope i get reimbursed with my share of the $15k that you stole from players at the site. I also hope that Party persues legal action against you, although they are probably happy with the 15k (thats not even theirs) and arent concerned seeking retributions to the player who have been cheated.

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Perhaps you are a bot. But it sounds like they are holding something back. I don't think their case is as air-tight as they are trying to make it sound (acting strong when weak).

It seems that the time for talk is over. Get a good lawyer that can force partypoker.com's hand.

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Lol. Unless they seized like 100k from him, the costs outweigh the benefits.

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Interesting thread

Note in it that Unreal denied his identity here

edit: oops last month, not same day as cashout...