5/10 Representing Quads
 

...or top boat. Villian is typical solid 5/10r. Pretty straightfoward.

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MP ($1286)
CO ($985)
Button ($2253.71)
SB ($2140.50)
HERO ($1000)
UTG ($559.39)

Preflop: HERO is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, 2 folds</font>, SB completes, HERO checks.

Flop: ($40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
SB checks, HERO bets $35</font>, UTG folds, MP raises to $125</font>, SB folds, HERO raises to $300</font>, MP calls $175.

River: ($640) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>

I push for $690.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

Getting 2-1, I'm calling with any overpair, and probably a 7 too. Then again, I'm loose.

I'm curious as to what you read him for. If you have him on two big cards or clubs, then this is obviously a good play. Otherwise, what does he make that turn raise and call with?

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I'm curious as to what you read him for.

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A small overpair, a lone 7, 22 or quads (oops!).

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

ill call ur all-in on the river w/ a sole 7. or any pocket pair higher, and of course the 6. what did u put villain on? from the way villain played his hand, it looks like he had the 6, although the river makes it a bit less likely that he had the 6. i think u shouldve just given up on the turn since it's a limped pot and people rarely give other players credit for quads.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

i think this is horrendous....horrible board to bluff at and this is a limped pot....were you on tilt HEK? You are going to get called here way too often by a 7 or overpair IMO.....

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How can you people call with just a 7??? or even 88/99? If you are villian in this hand and hold 99, what are you beating the way I played the hand?

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

PPl dont fold boats easily.

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I'd expect that guy to check a 6, 7, or overpair last to act on the flop just about never. His most likely hand by far is some solid draw that he picked up on the turn.

You probably had the best hand.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

well you either have quads or nothing by the way you played it on the turn imo.....and its hard for people to believe you got quads...

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I'm curious as to what you read him for.

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A small overpair, a lone 7, 22 or quads (oops!).

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Hes not folding any of these often enough to warrant a bluff.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

I'm putting you on clubs, or a weak 7.

And I'll take 2-1 to find out.

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this is a good river to do a smallish bet to get draws higher than yours to fold. If you are allining here, I am calling you with any boat as a hole heap of draws missed.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

What exactly made you try this move against this guy? Any reads? What was your plan on the river if a brick hit, like a ten?

I'm not sure I follow here, it certainly looks like you're going to get called.

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Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

I think you can bluff for less

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Iv never had success representing quads. Idiots keep calling, and I keep having nothing.

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What exactly made you try this move against this guy? Any reads? What was your plan on the river if a brick hit, like a ten?

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As I said villian is (typical) solid, not a bad player. I felt I could pull it off against a decent player. If a brick hit, I was check/folding.

Villian folded 22 (I believe him by his chat). I guess I was lucky that he had the low boat.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

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...or top boat. Villian is typical solid 5/10r. Pretty straightfoward.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($1286)
CO ($985)
Button ($2253.71)
SB ($2140.50)
HERO ($1000)
UTG ($559.39)

Preflop: HERO is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, 2 folds</font>, SB completes, HERO checks.

Flop: ($40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
SB checks, HERO checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)</font>
SB checks, HERO bets $35</font>, UTG folds, MP raises to $125</font>, SB folds, HERO raises to $300</font>, MP calls $175.

River: ($640) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)</font>

I push for $690.

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wow...without reading the others posts yet, I have to say I HATE this push. If you really had quads, you woulda bet less. If I'm the villain, the 3rd 6 is a great card for me! Easy call for him.

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What exactly made you try this move against this guy? Any reads? What was your plan on the river if a brick hit, like a ten?

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As I said villian is (typical) solid, not a bad player. I felt I could pull it off against a decent player. If a brick hit, I was check/folding.

Villian folded 22 (I believe him by his chat). I guess I was lucky that he had the low boat.

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Holy cow! That's about as perfect a hand for the villain to have (for you) as you could hope for. But he doesn't read you for quads, he reads you as either having the 7 or a PP. You're very lucky...if he had the 7, he calls this in a heart-beat.

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If you really had quads, you woulda bet less.

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Obviously not, if everyone is gonna call with just a 2.

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I think you can bluff for less

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I agree.

Taking a pause and leading for 1/3-3/4 pot on river is scarier than pushing all in.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

i think you just illustrated your edge

you PUT PEOPLE ON HANDS!

hopefully your opponents are only mildly aware of this process

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

Are you being a dick again?

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actually in a convoluted manner i just complimented you ;-)

btw i fold anything less than a 7 there all day long, without a monster read, nice play vs a thinking opponent

thing is, the play makes a 7 fold if you limped in utg or raised preflop, yeah?

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If you really had quads, you woulda bet less.

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Obviously not, if everyone is gonna call with just a 2.

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exactly.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

well, that turn play is truly horrible, but i think the river is ok...
his way way most likely hand is 22 (trust me, i didnt need the results), so you have to bet something. plus you get to show this Q8o, and everyone will think you are a lunatic.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

how do you feel about how he played his hand? should he move in on the turn to be called by a 7? i personally do, but often take the initiative away from a bluffer im sure *ehhm*

btw how do you play a non board triping river? did you give up? how about if you pair?

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

What hand range do you assign villain on the turn after his raise? Any reasonable assumptions about a 'solid regular' at 5/10nl would make a turn 3bet to $300 have an expectation of &gt;-$200 plus whatever you're willing to bet on a river blank. Turn play sucks.

River play isn't that great, either. What hand range do you assign villain after he calls the turn 3bet, and are there enough hands in that range that villain will fold to justify a river shove? (No)

In isolation this hand is a total blunder. As an image play it is too -EV to be justified. Don't like. At all.

Re: 5/10 Representing Quads
 

Kagame - This is a good question.

I think I mail it in if the clubs get there. I'm too tired to get deeper than this right now though.

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If a brick hit, I was check/folding

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Seems like your turn play is -EV then, as apart from a 6 or maybe a 7, nothing else is going to allow to you win the hand.

Turn is the key
 

Hi Killah...

I think the turn play is the key in this hand. When he is raising You, he says "Im not afraid of You having a 6". That means either a) He has a 6, with a good kicker. Most likely K-6 or A-6. Likely, given his preflop limp. b) He has 7-6 (likely) or 2-6 (probably dumped pf). c) He has 77 or 22. Can be, but the combinations are fewer. d) He has played AA or KK in a peculiar way (he should then fold for your re-raise). I think, with hands like 8-8 to J-J, he just calls on the turn.

The river does the combinations of sixes less likely. After this i would say K-6, A-6, 7-6, 7-7 and 2-2 have 18 pts each, and other hands 10 pts (like AA or trash). I dont think he is folding any other hand than 2-2 here, so you will be called 72 pts of the time - plus maybe 5 pts of the remaining 10. Since you are risking less than a 2-oddser, you need to be called less than 50 pts of the time.

The push is therefore wrong, given my prespumptions.