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Toddy 11-17-2005 03:44 PM

Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event question.
 
On this hand Josh Arieh I believe raised to $275K w/ K9, Raymer called w/ A2 and when it got to Harrington he made this raise for more than half his stack (1.2M). If Raymer goes all in does Harrington call w/ 26o? I keep wondering this. Is he pot committed?

BoxLiquid 11-17-2005 03:53 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event question.
 
I don't know the answer but this was one of the coolest plays I've ever seen.

Toddy 11-17-2005 03:54 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event question.
 
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I don't know the answer but this was one of the coolest plays I've ever seen.

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It is THE coolest play ever.

tonypaladino 11-17-2005 04:25 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
Buy HOH 1, he discusses the hand.

11-17-2005 04:38 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
I think the answer is: he really didn't want to think about that possibility.

11-17-2005 04:59 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
I think it would be a pretty obvious fold. Harrington doesn't really advocate calling a reraise on a bluff but instead advises to let them go usually. In this case while he has the pot odds his pot equity is so much lower that it would be a clear fold.

Kaeser 11-17-2005 05:18 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
There was approx 1.8 million in the pot after his raise so If Raymer pushes then the pot is about 3.5 million and it's 800K to call. 4.5-1 odds are considerable but you'd have to push raymer on a pair after that action so it's a fold.

psyduck 11-17-2005 06:07 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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There was approx 1.8 million in the pot after his raise so If Raymer pushes then the pot is about 3.5 million and it's 800K to call. 4.5-1 odds are considerable but you'd have to push raymer on a pair after that action so it's a fold.

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4.5:1 is about what you need if you believe he has an overpair and you have 2 undercards.

slickpoppa 11-17-2005 06:45 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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There was approx 1.8 million in the pot after his raise so If Raymer pushes then the pot is about 3.5 million and it's 800K to call. 4.5-1 odds are considerable but you'd have to push raymer on a pair after that action so it's a fold.

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4.5:1 is about what you need if you believe he has an overpair and you have 2 undercards.

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If it was exactly or close to 4.5:1, then folding would have the same EV as calling, but much higher variance. Therefore, it would be a fold.

sammy_g 11-17-2005 06:48 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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If it was exactly or close to 4.5:1, then folding would have the same EV as calling, but much higher variance. Therefore, it would be a fold.

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Yes, but if there is some chance Josh or Greg would come over the top with a hand like AK, it is a call.

sammy_g 11-17-2005 06:50 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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I think the answer is: he really didn't want to think about that possibility.

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I'm sure he knew what he would do before he put half of his stack in.

handsome 11-17-2005 06:57 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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Buy HOH 2, he discusses the hand.

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Squeeze play.

Neurotoxin 11-17-2005 10:08 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
why is this hailed as a great play. I'm sure that opportunity would come again when he had better cards,and we wouldn't have to ask whether or not he would call all in with one of the worst hands in poker.doesn't seem much better to me than one of those low limit Party players who pushes 27o and then flashes it like he's Doyle Brunson.

goofball 11-17-2005 10:17 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
low limit part != final table of the ME of the WSOP

Stickmn24 11-17-2005 10:18 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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why is this hailed as a great play. I'm sure that opportunity would come again when he had better cards,and we wouldn't have to ask whether or not he would call all in with one of the worst hands in poker.doesn't seem much better to me than one of those low limit Party players who pushes 27o and then flashes it like he's Doyle Brunson.

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-I'm pretty sure he didn't flash his hand to the table... just wrote about it later.

-He had some sort of tell/information that allowed him to put Arieh and Raymer on marginal hands and knew that neither of them could call him if his read was correct. Arieh had K9, and Raymer had A2. Keep in mind that his image helps him greatly.

11-17-2005 10:53 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
While we're on the subject of Harrington, I was confused by the last hand he played in last year's World Series. He was in the SB, and had 10-6o, and just called the BB. Why not raise there and try to take it right there? Williams had just 3-2o, and he was able to check, and catch two pair. Just curious if anyone has any insight on why he played that hand the way he did.

istewart 11-17-2005 10:57 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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low limit part != final table of the ME of the WSOP

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Are you sure?

billyjex 11-17-2005 11:04 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
the cards don't matter in this situation. a LAG, arieh, who is opening a lot of pots with a lot of cards, open raises. Raymer, the chip leader, just calls. his hand probably isn't that great because he just called w/ 4 or 5 players to act. Harrington sees this and knows that 1) Arieh probably doesn't have a strong hand. Even if he has something like AQ, he's going to have a hard time calling a raise because he's OOP and raymer is still to act. 2) Raymer isn't strong because he just called, therefore he couldn't call a big raise.

Harrington's main concern is someone behind him wakes up with a huge hand, but with a raise, cold call, and huge reraise, someone will need JJ+, AK to even play. Williams laid down AQo behind him.

It is not a play for the faint of heart, and the situation needs to be near perfect. That's why Harrington is who he is and you are who you are.

Hannibal 11-17-2005 11:14 PM

Re: Dan Harringtons FT Huge raise w/ 26o. 2004 WSOP Main Event questio
 
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It is not a play for the faint of heart, and the situation needs to be near perfect. That's why Harrington is who he is and you are who you are.

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Definitely, plus "Action Dan's" tight image makes it even more of a tough call for those left in the hand. This play wasn't about Harrington's cards at all....just a solid read and alot of heart.


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