My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

From Poker Tracker. At full ring $25NL/PL, $50NL/PL using ed miller SS style.

Total Sessions: 1395
Total Hands 39, 814
Hours Played 663.40
Total Won $563.94
WR/HR: $0.85 -- Big Bets/Hr.: 1.57
WR/100: $1.42 -- Big Bets/100.: 2.62
Showdown Win %: 55.13
Standard Deviation/Hr: $16.612 -- 30.3690 Big Bets
Standard Deviation/100: $19.2642 -- 34.9684 Big Bets

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

Hi,

First thing id say is thanks for sticking in your stats- Can i ask- whats your VPIP stats and fold blind to steal stats etc. These are quite important.

I must say that i think your winrate is somewhat on the low side- although if you are comfortably eeking out a profit you can only improve with time.

Your BB/100 at these sort of games should be at least double if not treble what they are at the minute, especially at these smaller stakes. I play these myself and find i can beat them for over 10 BB/100 if not more.

Some basic advice i would get is to play your big hands fast. If you have AA/KK etc etc. Raise a good 5x BB if not more and often you get callers with alsorts of junk. There shouldnt be any 'slow-playing' pf in these games unless you are certain someone will raise if you limp.

Post-flop the money is in sets and good TPTK/2 pair hand- youll be suprised at what people call you down with- don't get too crazy with the latter 2 but they are still good money makers.
Hitting sets is where you can stack your opponents- Check call/check raise turn type moves here i found are really effective if you flop a set- i like betting out if an ace or king comes on turn or river if you think it has helped villain.

Also can you post some of your win % for your top group 1 hands ie: AA/KK/AK/QQ etc and everyone can have a look at where you may be loosing out. It could be just that your simply playing too many junk hands and getting out kickered or have opponents with higher pairs etc. Certainly something is off somewhat.

Ric.

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For party NL/PL 25, I think your BB/100 should be at least 8- it is THE most beatable NL on the internet (besides micro NL). You probably still have some leaks to fix up, but at least you're slightly winning.

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

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From Poker Tracker. At full ring $25NL/PL, $50NL/PL using ed miller SS style.

Total Sessions: 1395
Total Hands 39, 814
Hours Played 663.40
Total Won $563.94
WR/HR: $0.85 -- Big Bets/Hr.: 1.57
WR/100: $1.42 -- Big Bets/100.: 2.62
Showdown Win %: 55.13
Standard Deviation/Hr: $16.612 -- 30.3690 Big Bets
Standard Deviation/100: $19.2642 -- 34.9684 Big Bets

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If you are new to the NL games, then good for you. This is a solid start towards winning. Your VP$IP and your aggression numbers would be helpful here, just to get an idea of what you are playing - and whether you need to do more raising.

The $25 and $50 games are reliable for good income, and you can expect your numbers to climb as high as 10xBB (poker tracker obviously would 20x the big blind) I never quite got there, but you can see where you need to get.

FWIW, I just checked my pokertracker stats, and I had 34,773 hands at $50 in 2004 - and my rate was 8.48/100, and fell to 7.02bb/100 at the $100 game - so just keep plugging away and you can get there too.

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Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

HEY EVERYONE,
he is using a shortstacked strategy ala Getting Started In Hold'em by Ed Miller.

He buys in for about 20 times the big blind, not a full buyin.

Anyways, thanks for the stats. I use this strategy when I don't feel like playing limit ring games while clearing a bonus.

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

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HEY EVERYONE,
he is using a shortstacked strategy ala Getting Started In Hold'em by Ed Miller.

He buys in for about 20 times the big blind, not a full buyin.

Anyways, thanks for the stats. I use this strategy when I don't feel like playing limit ring games while clearing a bonus.

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Well, now that he is properly rolled for the $25's, he should start buying in for the full $25 and start making some real money with it.

I didn't realize he was playing the SS style, and I was going to comment that his standard deviation was really low, suggesting weak/tight play? Anyway, this isn't the case. He should post up new stats after 10k hands w/ full buyins.

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

I think his SD is low because of the style of play he is using, not because of weak/tight. With 20x the big blind, you don't have much movement in NL cash games.

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

Here are more stats...as requested. took me a while to put up here.

Yes a reminder.. I am playing small stacks. I want to do the best I can do at small stacks before moving onto medium stacks, full stacks. I KNOW I am not doing the best I can do at small stacks yet.
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I posted some other stats (known starting hands) with a few thousand more hands:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...vc=#Post3979042

Can anybody spy a leak? I'm trying to get my SS play to be near optimal before moving onto med stack, and then full stack

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

VPIP and AF stats posted. see below. Known hands % stats posted in the other thread.

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Get out of the kiddy pool and start playing some poker? VP$IP 5 percent? I guess you're just playing AA, KK, AKs or QQ? I mean, yeah, at this limit, you can continue to eek out your tiny profits playing robotic ABC nutpeddling on short-buyins with that small range, but why not try to buy in full, expand your hand range, and play something a little more challenging? If you find you can't win at the $25's with a full buy in, playing a larger amount of hands, I guess you can always go back to making $1/hour.

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AF 13.73, ur a [censored] nutcase. i thought i was aggro with an AF of 2.34

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holy [censored]

PLAY MORE HANDS.

like a lot more.

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AF 13.73, ur a [censored] nutcase. i thought i was aggro with an AF of 2.34

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With a VP$IP of 5, the number makes more sense. He only plays AA, KK, and maybe QQ/AKs. So he has to be aggro the whole way.

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wow you must get so bored when you play.....vpip of 5!?!? personally i recommend forgetting whatever that book taught you. play more hands (focus on implied odds). read the small stakes NL forum a lot.

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

AA-6
KK-6
QQ-6
JJ-6
TT-6
99-6
AK(any)-16
AQ(any)-16
KQs-4
ATs-4

76 hands / 1326 = 5.7%

That seems to be about what he's putting money into the pot voluntarily with.

Iv'e read GSHE, and only played a small amount with the short stack strategy, but the starting hand selection seems on track to me. Your AF indicates to me you are in fact doing what Miller says to do, ie, get ALL your chips in early.

Sorry I don't have enough experience here to give points on how to improve, OP.

Thanks for posting your stats.

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This post is good because it shows that Ed Miller's strategy does win. It's also good because it shows that it's only good for beginner's, and buying in full and learning the full spectrum of the game is a lot more profitable. After 50k hands, you should try to expand your game.

Thanks for posting
 

Alright, you posted what you needed to here for an analysis of your play.

First, as others have noted, you are playing too tight. I am a winning player, I play for a living, I make no other claim about my own PT numbers, but they are here for your comparison.

Your stats:

VP$IP 5.6% - me 16.8%

VP$IP from SB 3.7% - me 27%

Folded SB to steal attempt 95% - me 81%

Folded BB to steal attempt 96% - me 71%

Attempt to steal blind 9% - me 19%

I won money without seeing the flop 35%

Went to showdown 29% - me 30%
Won at showdown 55% - me 53%

Raised preflop 5.5% - me 8%

Aggression factor - you are the highest I have ever seen, but this also means you win 35 cents a lot preflop - and get no action on your hands. My AF is just 1.37%

Players only need to see your hand at showdown a time or two to know not to play anything against you, especially when they only have .25 cents in the pot so far.

If you haven't learned yet, micro-limit NL hold'em is more about playing decent hands and letting the other players trap themselves than trying to steal a few 35-cent blinds. Would you rather win 35 cents with your ace-ace, or play a pair of fives for a quarter and hope to make a set that will often trap somebody for their whole stack?

Good luck to you.

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doesn't playing a vpip of 5.5% drive u mad when ur playing. you must have some incredible self control not to tilt playing this uber-tight. i'm a 15/10 and i have to 6-8 table to keep the tilt away.

Re: Thanks for posting
 

oops.

check PM

Re: My PT stats at 40k hands. Opinions please.
 

how short are you buying in? i have been buying in for 60-80 bb instead of the normal 100 lately, and my winrate has still been close to 10ptbb/100 over 15k hands or so. i also play pretty tight, although not as tight as you. according to other posts, it appears that you might be buying in for only 20 bb. that means you can't even play medium pp's for a normal raise. sets are the easiest way to make money in these games, so make sure you buy in enough so that you can play 55,etc. for set value.

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This post is good because it shows that Ed Miller's strategy does win. It's also good because it shows that it's only good for beginner's, and buying in full and learning the full spectrum of the game is a lot more profitable. After 50k hands, you should try to expand your game.

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For the record, I claimed only:

1. The strategy is a winner
2. It's good for building confidence and getting feet wet.

I agree that with 40k hands in the bank and the confidence of being a winner, you should start trying to play deeper stacks to advance to the next level.

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I've been buying in 20x BB.

The idea is to work on my preflop and flop. By only having 2 streets I can concentrate on only these two areas.

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well, i think you have actually mastered the art of 20bb buyin nl. you are winning a little, which is the most you can hope for. if you don't wanna buy in full, just move it up to 40bb instead, and get used to that. you can probably play the same exact hands the same way you do now, but the pot will be bigger when you push on the flop/turn. gl

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ahhh....nobody suggested moving slightly higher in stack size before. we shall see where this goes! Thanks!

I do not know how miller short stack strat works with med stacks...

I cannot stand it anymore . . .
 

I assume BB/100 = big bets per 100 hands. (Or is it big BLINDS per 100 hands ?)

What does ptbb/100 refer to ?

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What does ptbb/100 refer to ?

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This is also a question I would like to know.

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What does ptbb/100 refer to ?

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This is also a question I would like to know.

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ptbb = 2x the big blind in a no limit game. (The equivalent of a Big Bet in limit game, which is also 2x the big blind).