How to handle a pissed off dealer
 

I was playing 2/5 nl at the Wynn and I won like a 12 dollar pot and didnt tip the dealer
Well for the next 15 minutes he kept dealing my cards very short to make me reach for them and I guess if I wasnt paying attention he would have mucked them.
How would you handle such a situation? (This was the last day of my Vegas trip but I would be playing for 6-8 hours more and didnt want to put myself into a bad situation incase I was ever involved in a big pot where the floor was called over)

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Tip when you win a pot?

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Well for the next 15 minutes he kept dealing my cards very short to make me reach for them and I guess if I wasnt paying attention he would have mucked them.

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Or maybe you were sitting in an end seat and rather than risk your cards flashing he pitched them a reasonable sitance where you coudl get them without them flashing and you decided he was doing something to you on purpose.

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Tip when you win a pot?

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ask him to try to get them closer and pitch him a dollar when he does.

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It was definalty intentional
I won a decent sized pot a little while later and tipped him and magically my cards were able to reach me
However I feel like an [censored] for doing so
I wish I had come up with a better solution ( I think dealers who are good deserved to be tipped but a dealer who gets pissed at not getting a tip for a 12 dollar pot should not.)
I am not trying to start a tipping thread mearly asking how I could have handle the situation.

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Get your cards.
Look at them.
When you fold, put them where the dealer dealt them.
Let him reach.

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Dealers that actually do this sort of thin are a real PITA. They could get out an extra hand with the time they waste palygin games and make the $1 they feel they were stiffed.

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Tip when you win a pot?

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or tip him even less. whack ass dealers who piss me off get stiffed indefinitly.

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Whoever suggested making him reach for my cards had the right idea
I tipped him l ater like an [censored] when I should have stiffed him
I guess I figured someone so petty might tell other dealers or the floor to screw me somehow

Almost every dealer there was very professional and dealt a good game and I tipped accordingly. There was one dealer who was very good and for some reason this evil short bitch seemed to have a problem with everyone. ON one hand the man to my left bet and he counted the bet and announced what it was while she was pondering a call. She then snapped at him, telling him she knew what the bet was and he was a terrible dealers and thats "all you can do in this world" and he didnt even call the floor let alone do somehting childish.

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Take a walk until the dealer's down is done. If you figure you'll be playing 6-8 hours more, you'll still have lots of hands ahead of you. Taking breaks (especially those spent strolling around the Wynn!) is usually a good idea in a long session.

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Get used to reaching out to get your cards, and never tip that ungrateful bastard again.

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Get used to reaching out to get your cards, and never tip that ungrateful bastard again.

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If that dealer wants to waste his thought process on keeping grudges, let him. No need to do it yourself.

Conspir8or has it right. Take a walk.

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It depends how short. If it was really short I would politely ask the dealer to pitch the cards a little closer to me. If he didn't, I wouldn't tip him for the rest of the trip. Although, I'm not sure why you sitffed him originally.

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Although, I'm not sure why you sitffed him originally.

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Stiffed?

$12 pot. $7 of that from the blinds. Most of it his money. Maybe $7 profit. Guess you think OP should have tipped $3.50. Get real.

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and I guess if I wasnt paying attention he would have mucked them.

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Card Protector?

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and I guess if I wasnt paying attention he would have mucked them.

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Card Protector?

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I don't think you understood him.

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I don't think you understood him.

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Re-read OP, you're right, I misread what he said.

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This is the problem with tipping.

Pretty soon, these people take it as an entitlement, and get all uppity if they don't feel someone tips 'enough'.

Remember, tipping is a *gratuity* - and as such totally voluntary.

And also, tipping is always, always -EV.

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This is the problem with tipping.

Pretty soon, these people take it as an entitlement, and get all uppity if they don't feel someone tips 'enough'.

Remember, tipping is a *gratuity* - and as such totally voluntary.

And also, tipping is always, always -EV.

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You know what, as a dealer i don't get upset if a player doesn't tip me on a pot. That seems real petty to me.

But as a player I don't get upset if the cards don't land directly in my hand and I have to reach out a little to get them. Seems really petty to me.

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next time you win a pot you should tip him. but throw the chip so that it splashes the his trey and then bounces up and hits him. Or you could just ask him what his fecking problem is. Up to you.

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You know what, as a dealer i don't get upset if a player doesn't tip me on a pot. That seems real petty to me.

But as a player I don't get upset if the cards don't land directly in my hand and I have to reach out a little to get them. Seems really petty to me.

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And as a player, I think the "Dealers can do no wrong" posts from dealers don't help the situation.
Read his post.
It was clear that the dealer was tossing short.
Not as an accident.
Face facts. There are some incompetent, petty, rude, and otherwise "bad" dealers out there. And when dealers like you come to their defense, it shows that you really don't care about the job, just the tips.

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You know what, as a dealer i don't get upset if a player doesn't tip me on a pot. That seems real petty to me.

But as a player I don't get upset if the cards don't land directly in my hand and I have to reach out a little to get them. Seems really petty to me.

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And as a player, I think the "Dealers can do no wrong" posts from dealers don't help the situation.
Read his post.
It was clear that the dealer was tossing short.
Not as an accident.
Face facts. There are some incompetent, petty, rude, and otherwise "bad" dealers out there. And when dealers like you come to their defense, it shows that you really don't care about the job, just the tips.

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I'm not defending the Dealer. I'm just pointing out that that having your cards dealt short is not quite the worst thing that can happen to you at a table.

My doing so is not an indication that I don't care about my job. I care greatly about doing my job to the best of my ability and my tips have suffered for that.

I've said the dealer here was being petty. The thing is that I've seen to many big problems come petty retailiation for petty carp. It starts to feed of itself and it grows. Last Saturday night I had a near brawl break out between three players over the most of things, but each had to have the last word. It seems to me much more productive to shrug of the petty passive aggressive crap that gets thrown at you then to even give it a second thought.

the worst thing that could happen...
 

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I'm just pointing out that that having your cards dealt short is not quite the worst thing that can happen to you at a table.


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Nope. The worst thing would be more like this...

You're happily playing along. The waitress is kinda foxy, and you're flirting a little with her. You're up a few bux, you've had a few beers. The colts are ahead, and you've got a bennie bet on them to win! Life is grand. Viva Las Vegas!

Then you get aces. You raise before the flop. You get reraised. Two calls, you make a HUGE reraise all-in, everyone calls. The BEST hand you're facing is J2o. The waitress winks at you...


WHAM!!!!! SOME FRIGGIN' JERK WEARING STEEL TOED BOOTS COMES ALONG AND KICKS YOU RIGHT IN THE NUTS!!!!

As an aside, your aces lose to Js2d, who hits runner-runner trip deuces.

The waitress then spills hot coffee in your lap, just in case your nuts weren't sore enough already. At almost the same time you find out she's a man-hating lesbian who was just working your sorry ass for tips. As you're writhing in agony on the floor, you see the jerkoff kicker for the other team make a last minute 59 yard field goal, EVEN THO THEIR TEAM WAS BEHIND BY EIGHTEEN POINTS, thus making certain that you DON'T "cover the spread."

Oh yeah, and they're out of your favorite brand of beer, so they bring you an O-douls. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

al

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piss him off more. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Nope. The worst thing would be more like this...

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ROTFLMAO!

thnx, Al

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Re: How to handle a pissed off dealer
 

Please. I'm not tipping on a $12 pot either.

Jeff

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I'm not sure why you sitffed him originally.

Like evrybody else pointed out, tiny pot. On a more basic point, since tipping is 100% voluntary, the dealer is way out of line for taking any adverse action.

I've posted this before, but I worked for a long time in the restaurant business and understand that tipping is important. However, when I managed restaurants the service staff understood one thing. If anyone did anything to make a customer feel uncomfortable because of how little was tipped, that employee would be fired immediately.

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>>If anyone did anything to make a customer feel uncomfortable because of how little was tipped, that employee would be fired immediately. <<

Awesome dude. That's *exactly* what we need - a little less mollycoddling, and a little more nut-kicking.

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I'm going to jump on the bandwagon here and TOTALLY AGREE.

One thing I have noticed is that newer dealers, who deal mostly 2-4 and 1-2 no limit, typically in rooms with jackpots or high hand bonuses, get a very SKEWED viewpoint on HOW MUCH SHOULD SOMEONE TIP in a pot. They get the 2-4 tourists, and the grandma from iowa who tips $40 on a $300 pot in 1-2 no limit, and there's little else being dealt in their room, thus they get the WRONG impression as to what a "standard" tip should be.

Now I know I'm an advocate of tipping, and I'm not trying to hijack this thread and make it a tipping thread, the poker gods know damn well we don't need any more of THOSE....

But still, take your average 2-4 table, and your average 20-40 at mirage table. You'll make $1 a pot at the mirage, but get 18-20 hands plus a down out (if you're even half a decent dealer at all). At 2-4 you'll get 10-15 hands per down, but get more than a buck a pot average. But if you pay attention, you'll make more PER DOWN, ON AVERAGE in the higher game, because of the speed of the game.

So DITCH the "image" that ridiculously high tips are "THE STANDARD." Take your buck a pot and be happy. And if you bitch about it, don't be surprised if you find yourself JOB HUNTING.

al

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I saw a guy tip 50 bucks when he sucked and doubled his buy in
I tipped a dealer at the MGM after his down because he was such a great dealer, ran a fast game, asked me if I was folding ( which I was- I had turned around to talked to my friend at another table and my cards were unprtoected but still nice of him to ask) and he also immediately asked someone who made a vague hand gesture if they meant to check and I won exactly 0 pots when he was dealing.

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>>Now I know I'm an advocate of tipping, and I'm not trying to hijack this thread and make it a tipping thread<<

Heaven forbid...

Seriously though, when you play live you need to kick a buck to the dealers at low limits, and be a little more generous as you go up in limits or take down bigger pots.

Happy dealers often make for looser tables, unless you're dealing with a bunch of rocks/locals.

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Very good then. You have your priorities straight, and the dealer sounds like they deserved the tip.

al

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There is absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect about your line of thinking here. It never hurts to throw around a few extra bucks now and then for "good will." Such actions usually come back to you in one way or another.

al

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Being a poker dealer myself, I usually don't expect a tip when the pot is small..that's just part of the business, but for that dealer to be unprofessional like that is inexcuseable..My only advice is don't take care of him/her in the future...

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Take a $1 dollar chip to the bathroom, get creative, then start the tipping, baby!

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How would you handle such a situation?

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I've been rolling this around in my mind all morning.

If you're really positive that a dealer has been messing with you, the most effective thing you can do may be to find out who the casino manager is and write a letter, copy in the manager of the hotel.

Be curteous and business like. Mention the dealer's name, when you were there, what the dealer did, and why you think the dealer was out of line.

In the hospitality industry letters like this are taken very seriously. You will probably get a letter back from someone apologizing and telling you how the situation was handled.

However, before you write such a letter, keep in mind that it may become a copy of the employee's permanant file, and may have job-related consequences. So don't write such a letter unless you're prepared to deal with the fact that the dealer may get into some trouble.

While we're at it ..... If you think a dealer (or anyone else in a casino) is doing a super job. Write a complimentary letter. Such a letter may be worth more to that person than all of the tips you so deservedly gave to them.

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Ah, yea I didn't notice the blinds were 2/5. I'd still tip on that, but as you stated, that's a personal choice and a customer i.e. player should not have to deal with any mistreatment as a result.

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Eff that man, I aint tipping crap unless its at least a 7 or 8 BB pot. And only a buck at that.

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Half-dollars aren't just useful for low-limit stud games.

Wow, i came this close to continuing on that theme and making this another tipping thread.