Ok to go broke here? TT $50NL
 

Better line?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($49.65)
MP ($51.64)
Button ($52)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($70.84)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, Hero (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB folds, Button calls $6.

Turn: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $17</font>, Button calls $17.

River: ($52) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero calls $24.50 (All-In), Button calls $24.50.

Final Pot: $101

Re: Ok to go broke here? TT $50NL
 

Check the turn and evaluate

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Check the turn and evaluate

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Won't that give a flush draw an oppurtunity for a free card?

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Check the turn and evaluate

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Won't that give a flush draw an oppurtunity for a free card?

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The reality is that half the time you're already beat by JJ or QQ. Against A-Ks or A-Qs with the draw, you're not that great anyway. You don't have a big hand. Check the turn to control the pot and reevaluate based upon his action. You can fold this overpair if he bets the turn strong. I repeat, your hand is very marginal.

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I would think JJ or QQ would have reraised the flop. I could get away from this if I bet less on the turn, but I would probably play this the same way. Given the pot size, I'm not folding the river.

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Won't that give a flush draw an oppurtunity for a free card?

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You cannot put the button on the flush draw here. You need to give him some credit for the pre-flop raise (JJ+). Because the answer to your question is "No," it is not okay to go broke here the way you did.

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Button likes his hand, check/fold the turn. Call a reasonable river bet if you get there. You have a marginal hand which plays plays better in a small pot.

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C/c flop, lead turn? Anyone.....anyone.

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I like it.

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C/c flop, lead turn? Anyone.....anyone.

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I don't hate that line, but I'd like it better if my pair was bigger or there wasn't straight and flush draws. So many cards that you hate on the turn.

Maybe lead the flop and go for the all-in c/r on the blank turn, or 1/2 pot lead on dangerous turn, if called? Yet another example of the difficulties of playing mediocre hands OOP in NL.

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Does no one else think that a pre-flop re-raise is in order? Villain open raised on the button!

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I don't know how often/what button raises with preflop, but I can't think TT is good here after the flop bet is called. I just give it up on the turn.

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C/c flop, lead turn? Anyone.....anyone.

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So you commit your stack to call anything on the river? (Not saying it's bad, but I want to understand it.)

I think pot control OOP with a showdownable hand is the right play here. As to how to make that happen, I don't have a better line other my previous one.

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I don't know how often/what button raises with preflop, but I can't think TT is good here after the flop bet is called. I just give it up on the turn.

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So you never have donks call your flop bet holding second pair, or missed overs?

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Does no one else think that a pre-flop re-raise is in order? Villain open raised on the button!

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Yeah - I would have raised pre-flop (at least 3x the button's bet). I don't know if I would bet the river like that either. The BB is just calling but he is calling some big bets. Any one have an idea on that?

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Well, I generally like to have something more than a medium overpair when betting into a preflop raiser. If I have a read or information that the button raises with lots of different crap(ie he's stealing) then I don't mind the bet.

If I think he has overs and could reliably put him on it by a betting pattern or something I'd checkraise him here and see if he calls. I don't want to go broke with TT, sorry.

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I don't know how often/what button raises with preflop, but I can't think TT is good here after the flop bet is called. I just give it up on the turn.

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I'm sorry, I don't want to come off as some kind of expert, but that's pretty weak. Button raise first-in at 6-max could be almost anything, so BB calling doesn't indicate much. BB lead on a rags flop could just be a re-steal and lots of players will call with just overs w/backdoor draws or middle-pair kind of hands. No reason to believe you're behind on the flop, even after the call.

Results
 

Villain shows AA and MHING.

thanks for the replies all. i'm debating whether repopping preflop or check/re-evaluating the turn is better.

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At this level, you can't assume that other players know what a steal attempt is. Button could be raising a legitimate hand. Without a read it's difficult to tell of course and the information would be nice...

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Why would he reraise the flop/turn if he can watch you go broke by just calling your bets? And if he's beat by some random junk he's not exposing himself. But given the action villian looks like he's willing to go broke with his hand(good ole' results oriented[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

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C/c flop, lead turn? Anyone.....anyone.

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So you commit your stack to call anything on the river? (Not saying it's bad, but I want to understand it.)

I think pot control OOP with a showdownable hand is the right play here. As to how to make that happen, I don't have a better line other my previous one.

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I shut down once he called my turn bet, maybe call a small bet on river.

If you lead flop like hero did, I think he will call with 7 6 or draw, check fold turn is pretty weak for me. That line looks alot like hero has AK.

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my life got a lot easier when i started reraising preflop in spots like this.

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It's good if the button steals alot. However if he flat called( I think you will get called like 80% of time), what's your plan for the rest of the hand?

Here\'s a rule I live by and I\'ll pass it on
 

I rarely go to the felt with less than pocket KK. If you have some mid-high pocket pair like 88-JJ and I call a flop raise, if the flop comes all under cards and it's a somewhat harmless flop I'll overbet the pot. If I'm called from that point on, then I know that PF raiser is either stubborn or has a big hand, then I'll act accordingly, ie... check/call small bet ot check/fold. Take a stand early, and save your stack.

I'll bet at this level that villian has something donkish like KQs or AQs and remained stubborn. A $10 bet on the flop will make things clear quick and early. They'll know you're serious and if they really want to play they're overcards their going to pay to chase.

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5 handed, open raise from the button means absolutely nothing. I probably repop this preflop which means i would have gone broke even faster than you did. Your line looks fine to me.

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No, the call pre-flop is fine. OOP I don't mind calling this. Reason being is if you come back over the top and then villian pushes, are you folding this? Call and take a flop and act accordingly, don't be anxious to get into bloated pots with these hands OOP, despite what others on here might say.