Can I muck it anywhere?
 

6 handed.

I have AdQs on button. UTG raises, folded to co who calls, I 3 bet, TAG SB caps it, we all call.

no read on UTG, co is fishy.

Flop is Qh 8h 4c
SB checks, utg checks, co checks, i bet, sb raises, utg folds, co folds, I call intending to call down.


blake

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I don't think so.

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SB could be capping with TT, JJ, KQs, and maybe even 99, and he is protecting his hand on the flop. No way you can fold.

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I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy).

I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf?

I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy).

I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf?

I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility. Also, while leading may seem right, I think some people also go for the check raise with these hands.

I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand. If anyone else would have bet, his plan might have been to call.

I don´t like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. I´d rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands.

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I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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What does 3-betting accomplish? We aren't ahead often enough to put extra bets in. IMO, it's either call and fold the turn UI, or get to the showdown as cheaply as possible.

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I see no other option but to call down.

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He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility.

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Well, I disagree here. Some folks do anything ridiculous, it doesn't mean you have to allow for it. If his read on the player is correct (TAG) I think that helps you narrow the hand range.

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I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand.

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This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ).

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I don´t like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. I´d rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands.

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I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI.

Calling down here feels weak. *shrug*

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I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI.


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I think this is awful. If he has a hand we are beating, such as JJ or AK (you said these were pretty likely), we should allow him to bluff.

If your plan to 3-bet and fold the turn UI if he caps seems really bad, considering he sometimes has AQ, and you are giving up half of a pretty good pot.

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I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand.

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This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ).

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Considering the action, you should really put him on all hands that fit his range. Only putting him on hands that justify your decision to 3-bet isn't good for your game.

We're behind too often here to just keep pumping.

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I think this is awful. If he has a hand we are beating, such as JJ or AK (you said these were pretty likely), we should allow him to bluff.

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Would you then raise the turn? I guess I hate calling down because if you are ahead, you are missing value.

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If your plan to 3-bet and fold the turn UI if he caps seems really bad, considering he sometimes has AQ, and you are giving up half of a pretty good pot.

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That's a fair point. I have a hard time seeing an oop cap from a TAG, but it's not out of the question, obviously.

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Considering the action, you should really put him on all hands that fit his range. Only putting him on hands that justify your decision to 3-bet isn't good for your game.

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I was putting him on a range based on a combination of his pf and flop action. Again, I don't see a TAG with AA, KK, QQ check-raising the flop like that. Unless this guy is mega-tricky, isn't is pretty standard tag behavior to bet out into the multiway pot after a pf cap? His check-raise smells like he is trying to drive other hands out.

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I think he has AA/KK or QQ and is getting FPS-ish. if he's gonna play that like this then I think he could also play AQ, AK, or JJ like this though they are less likely than the percentage of combinations would suggest, IMO.

I don't like pressing the bet/raise button anymore unless we get checked to. Pressing the 'call' button is always fun though.

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I think AggroHUSH Poster has warped my fragile little mind. I see TPTK and I start going apeshit. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I think our hand is strong enough to showdown, which might also be warped by the 'go to showdown' attitude you need at 10/20...I just think the cold cap OOP is a pretty strong move and limits his hand range a lot

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I think our hand is strong enough to showdown, which might also be warped by the 'go to showdown' attitude you need at 10/20...I just think the cold cap OOP is a pretty strong move and limits his hand range a lot

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If it's warped, then I have it too. We need to get to SD here, but we really dont want to have to pay and extra BB for it, and we really don't want to get pushed off on the turn, which is what we *ought* to do if capped on the flop.

Think about it: 2 BB to get to showdown, 1BB to FOLD, or 3 BB to get to SD. I think option A is clearly best given his hand range at the moment (TT+, KQs, AQ/AK). I also think it's more like that he keeps firing into our "AK" with TT/JJ if we don't 3bet him, and that is a huge victory for us.