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kidcolin 11-16-2005 03:20 AM

5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
I don't know if I'm getting paranoid because this happened about a million times recently, but I'm worried I'm paying off too much. Do you ever fold these types of hands? One's a straight up raise, one's a checkraise, and one's a bet/3-bet.

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

River: (5.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB.




Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(5 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (5.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB.




Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB.

KDawgCometh 11-16-2005 03:23 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
I really don't see a laydown in any of the hands that you posted. The last hand, maybe, but given the action, I'd have a very hard time putting the villian on a better hand then you

kidcolin 11-16-2005 03:33 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
The last one I figured he must have KJ once he three bet, but it was about the most retarded flopped nuts line of all time.

flawless_victory 11-16-2005 04:08 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
first 2 are automatic calls and the third one i cap all day.

Derek in NYC 11-16-2005 04:15 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
Impossible to fold, and I play every hand the same.

KDawgCometh 11-16-2005 04:18 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
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The last one I figured he must have KJ once he three bet, but it was about the most retarded flopped nuts line of all time.

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since you haven't given any reads, I have a hard time giving that guy credit for KJ, but I really don't know if capping is the right thing or not

etizzle 11-16-2005 04:22 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
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first 2 are automatic calls and the third one i cap all day.

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dealer_toe 11-16-2005 04:31 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
First two are easy calls, second one I cap or call based on my read.

imported_leader 11-16-2005 05:35 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
first 2 are automatic calls and the third one i cap all day.

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11-16-2005 06:10 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
I fold 0/3. You will win more than your fair share of those hands.

MrBig30 11-16-2005 06:41 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
Folding either of those would be bad IMO. I call all of them, third one I like a cap although it is probably close. Is there really 50%+ chance he held KJ/AA/QQ/TT in the BB and played it like that? I dont think so.

Spicymoose 11-16-2005 07:37 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
I donīt fold any. In the last one he has 33, so I cap.

Guy McSucker 11-16-2005 08:22 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
No folding.

Your hands in all cases are way better than the opponent has any right to put you on so there's a really good chance he's raising with less than you have.

Guy.

SteveGriff 11-16-2005 10:08 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
Nothing much wrong with any of those hands posted. Keep up the good work Soldier

Steve Griff

kidcolin 11-16-2005 11:32 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
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First two are easy calls, second one I cap or call based on my read.

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There are players I'd cap the 3rd one against. This guy was very passive and kept pausing on each street, which he doesn't usually do. At first I figured a hand like QJ or JT. I was pretty sure I was toast after the river 3-bet. His aggression factor was aroud 0.6 or something.

Poldi 11-16-2005 11:47 AM

Re: 5/10 - Raised on the river.. do you ever fold here?
 
Please dont start folding these.


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