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Back in the day when Doyle was taking down the World Series of Poker, $10k meant something. Now $10k is not chump change, but it isn't a years wages for a decent paying job like it was then.

Does anyone else think it is time to raise the buy in to 25k to be competitive with the WPT? The Foxwoods tourney right now has as many players as the World Series did 2 years ago. What is the appropriate amount then?

The 25k WPT bellagio tourney might take over as the premier event if they don't change the formatting of the World Series. If it were me, I would raise it to 25k and see what happens, then go to 50k quickly....

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WPT will never surpass world series, i could care less how many wpt victories someone has in comparison to wsop bracelets. Its at 10,000 and will probably stay at 10,000 to keep along with the theme anyone can win. Take it up to 25,000 and competition is more fierce and that whole idea of anyone can win is ruined. If i see another post about raising wsop buy in im going to shoot my computer.

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I chose all the options.

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I like Matt Hilger's idea in the second most recent CP. He said they should add a 100,000 buy in event, but keep the 10k event for posterity and because it's popular.

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The 25k WPT bellagio tourney might take over as the premier event if they don't change the formatting of the World Series.

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This won't happen, and it won't ever come close.

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The 25k WPT bellagio tourney might take over as the premier event if they don't change the formatting of the World Series.

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This won't happen, and it won't ever come close.

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I like Matt Hilger's idea in the second most recent CP. He said they should add a 100,000 buy in event, but keep the 10k event for posterity and because it's popular.

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I read the article as well, and though the idea looks good on paper it'd only be a matter of time until the event went from 100-200 players to 700-1000 players due to online satellites. It wouldn't grow at a rate that the main event has over the past 4 years, but it's exclusivity would be short lived.

I think a better idea is to have an event held exclusively for past bracelet winners. The buy-in could range from freeroll to 10k. I think that would be much sweeter to watch than a 100k buy-in event that only caters to the super rich.

PG

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What they need to do is have an expensive Horse tourney. 20k buy in.

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I thought that there were a couple of bigger buy-ins this year? Im going to go try to find out what they were.
I think one was an Omaha tourney.

I think Im wrong....the only thing I can find is a $10,000 buy-in Omaha event. Nothing bigger.

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I think the buyin should def be up-ed. it won't be because of the "anyone can win" image that have been created in the last 3 yrs.

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$ 5,000 No Limit 2 to 7 Draw Lowball is a rebuy event, so the average player actually pays more than they would pay for the main event.
This years 2-7 had 65 entries and 139 rebuys, meaning the average player put over 15k into the event.
This years 2-7 results

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The 25k WPT bellagio tourney might take over as the premier event if they don't change the formatting of the World Series.

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This won't happen, and it won't ever come close.

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As long as the WSOP is on ESPN and the WPT is on the Travel Channel, the WSOP Main Event will always be the greatest title to win. I could possibly see that if NBC or something picked up the WPT, that it could surpass the WSOP Main Event in coverage and exposure and at least equal the prestige of the WSOP in the future.

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If they raise it, then less people will play. Then everyone will say that the poker boom is over.

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What's wrong with targeting 10K entrants someday? Las Vegas is certainly big enough to host such a spectacle. 10K X 10K is far more interesting than 4K X 25K. I think you are looking at the wrong end of the equation.

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Am I the only guy that loved hearing Kessler (sp?) tell that singer that he was having the time of his life sitting with the best players in the world, that he's a star to his kids now? Isn't that a great image for a poker tournament to have?

I couldn't care less if we have a famous "world champion" or not, you'll never find a decent structure to give out a label like that anyway.

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I think the appeal of the WSOP is less "bestest poker player EVAR" and more "guy that won the biggest tournament ever".

WSOP=US Open

WPT= The Masters, but like with 3000x less status and no Hooty. (this is strained, but it almost works).

Pretending that any tournament will ever give you a meaningful metric for who is a good player is really goofy. There's just WAY too much luck involved. Raise the buy-in all you want, but I'm not sure you'll ever get what it feels like the "raise the buyin" crowd wants.

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The buy-in has always been 10k - so shouldn't it be adjusted due to INFLATION? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I personally think that the WSOP may begin to lose some prestige with Harrah's taking over, as in that sense, it's kinda a brand new tournament series. That combined with the asinine rules and back-alley shenanigans definitely lower it in MY eyes, at least. I may not play any future WSOP events, and I expect Gary Loveman to weep silently over this.

If the Masters were moved to Pine Valley, would it still be "The Masters"?

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If they raise it, then less people will play.

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Why? Some ridiculous percentage of players get in via satellite, so if the buyin goes up, then the number of satellites just needs to go up to get a comparable number of players. With the internet sites and every rinky-dink cardroom having their own qualifiers, there should be no shortage of satellites. Does anyone know the percentage of players that actually buy in with out-of-pocket cash?

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The fans have spoken! Raise the limits

69% say yes.......

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The buy-in has always been 10k - so shouldn't it be adjusted due to INFLATION? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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That's my biggest problem with the WSOP buy in. It hasn't changed since it's inception. $10K was a helluva lot of money back when the thing started in 1970.

That's why it attracted only the best of the best because only those with the skils to have enough confidence in putting up $10K or have backers that would do so for them would play.

$10K isn't exactly cheap nowadays, but it's by no means a ton of money or has the same value it did in 1970 or even 1990.

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The buy-in has always been 10k - so shouldn't it be adjusted due to INFLATION? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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That's my biggest problem with the WSOP buy in. It hasn't changed since it's inception. $10K was a helluva lot of money back when the thing started in 1970.

That's why it attracted only the best of the best because only those with the skils to have enough confidence in putting up $10K or have backers that would do so for them would play.

$10K isn't exactly cheap nowadays, but it's by no means a ton of money or has the same value it did in 1970 or even 1990.

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pokerstars, party poker, full tilt, etc won't care for your idealistic view of the wsop, they'll just add another round of satellites.

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If they raise it, then less people will play.

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Why? Some ridiculous percentage of players get in via satellite, so if the buyin goes up, then the number of satellites just needs to go up to get a comparable number of players. With the internet sites and every rinky-dink cardroom having their own qualifiers, there should be no shortage of satellites. Does anyone know the percentage of players that actually buy in with out-of-pocket cash?

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This is entirely wrong.

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considering the damn event is going to take a week to run the first 2 days they should either get another room for the event or up the buy in. will be ridiculous to go there for a week and only play 2 days especially if you got a regualr job.

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Say it again Wht Fix it when it aint broke

Though they need to add more games and spread them out better.

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Here's my only problem with this.

Realistically, in a few years, if I haven't won a satellite, I can see myself blowing 10K on a straight buyin and playing it just once - to say I've done it...

if it's 25K, I can't see myself doing that....so that's what would make me bummed about the entry fee going up.

RB

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Wow, what a unique and fascinating concept. Raise the buyin of the ME to make it more prestigious.

Amazing no one thought of that yet.

10K is still a lot of money for a poker tournament, and the WSOP is just fine as it is.

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If they raised it to $50k Mike wouldn't be able to enter and win it in a heads-up match against Johnny since he only has 3 stacks of high society. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Raising the buy in will only lead to the death of the WSOP.