$109\'s... Boring line check for Tinkerbells...
 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t925)
MP1 (t1100)
Hero (t930)
MP3 (t1685)
CO (t1050)
Button (t865)
SB (t855)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1590)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t230

This feels so wrong. By the way, this is more than just a pf question. If you're not doing what I'm doing, what is your plan for the hand.

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what is your read on villain? I usually call here and see what the flop texture is like. Any ace, and I'm out. Rags and I may be going broke against a big pair or losing a big piece.

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I reckon you played it fine, but it is tempting to call. It depends on your opponent I would say. If he's been very active up til now (I'm guessing at level 2, he must have at least a couple of hands?) and raising a lot, then I'd be more inclined to call and see a flop, but if he's a solid player I think you'd have to let this go. Even though it does seem weak-tight, I agree. Just don't think there's a better line here than that though. Risk/reward ratio is way too high for a push or something like that, re-raise commits too much of your stack and an overcard flops too often (even if you aren't behind an overpair already), and the value isn't there to call for set value.

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also, is this not a good time for a stop and go?

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Not much of a raise by Villain...

Your stack size is awkward, and you're OOP, but I think I reluctantly call here. Bet 2/3 on flop with zero or one overcard, except an A, or if you hit the set. Check otherwise.

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also, is this not a good time for a stop and go?

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wtf

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raise pf.

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also, is this not a good time for a stop and go?

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wtf

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lol I meant sudden reversal. Obviously now is NOt a good time for a stop and go

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raise pf.

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Do you raise 99 here? (I agree with you about raising TT here).

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depends, if table is real aggro more likely to call, but its better to raise pf n take control of hand.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 (t925)
MP1 (t1100)
Hero (t930)
MP3 (t1685)
CO (t1050)
Button (t865)
SB (t855)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1590)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t230

This feels so wrong. By the way, this is more than just a pf question. If you're not doing what I'm doing, what is your plan for the hand.

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I like your line, and I agree with tigerite's reasoning. I'm often on the fence with raising hands like this, but I am still in favor of limping and folding to a big raise with TT. With JJ, that ever controversial hand, I think I would raise here. 99 I would definitely limp.

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I like the limp fold if the raisers any good.
If you are willing to play a bigger pot with 1010 here then you need to open and go broke on a low card flop or open and fold to a reraise (assuming villan isn't a total donk)

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Ill skip the part about raising yourself PF...But I'd call here mainly because I am closing the action and am very likely to get paid off if I hit my set. Most other flops I might as well check-fold as I dont see a probe bet doing much good here. I can see arguments for dumping this hand too, because, in essence, it really DOES become a set-no bet type of situation and I'm not sure your implied odds are there (you'd have to get paid 100% of the time).

Just add that if villain were very agro I could play this hand for its obvious value.

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Ill skip the part about raising yourself PF...But I'd call here mainly because I am closing the action and am very likely to get paid off if I hit my set. Most other flops I might as well check-fold as I dont see a probe bet doing much good here. I can see arguments for dumping this hand too, because, in essence, it really DOES become a set-no bet type of situation and I'm not sure your implied odds are there (you'd have to get paid 100% of the time).

Just add that if villain were very agro I could play this hand for its obvious value.

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What do you do on an 842rb flop?

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On an undercard flop, I am busting to a higher pair and snapping off a continuation bet. This works even better OOP because you can check-raise.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed)

SB (t1645)
BB (t860)
UTG (t2150)
UTG+1 (t400)
MP1 (t990)
MP2 (t975)
MP3 (t1055)
CO (t970)
Hero (t955)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t45</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t30.

Flop: (t100) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises all-in [t910]</font> , BB calls [t705].

Turn: (t1920) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1920) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1920

BB has K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, sixes).
Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins t1920.

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BB has K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, sixes).
Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins t1920.

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Depsite my lack of experience at this level, I am very surprised this happened in a 1000 chip Party SnG (mostly the flop call of your push).

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raise pf.

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Do you raise 99 here? (I agree with you about raising TT here).

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i would raise TT and limp 99.

after the raise, i think folding is fine. well, painful, but probably right.

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BB has K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, sixes).
Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins t1920.

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Depsite my lack of experience at this level, I am very surprised this happened in a 1000 chip Party SnG (mostly the flop call of your push).

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It shocked the hell out of me that AK called, for sure. As Phil Gordon might say, he's got no pair, no draw. I pushed because I don't see an overpair overbetting the pot like that. He's scared of his hand but thinks it ought to win, so he makes a &gt;pot sized bet. I want to raise such that he gets less than 2:1 to call, so that's at least 350 more on top of the 125, making my raise to 425. Since that's ~half my stack, I just pushed. Maybe he's just keeping me honest or something. Who knows...

Anyway, that's how I'm playing an undercard flop. With overcards, I'm check-folding to any serious bet.

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Ill skip the part about raising yourself PF...But I'd call here mainly because I am closing the action and am very likely to get paid off if I hit my set. Most other flops I might as well check-fold as I dont see a probe bet doing much good here. I can see arguments for dumping this hand too, because, in essence, it really DOES become a set-no bet type of situation and I'm not sure your implied odds are there (you'd have to get paid 100% of the time).

Just add that if villain were very agro I could play this hand for its obvious value.

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What do you do on an 842rb flop?

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If this guy is pretty solid I dont even like my chances on this flop...I would probably waste a probe bet and back down to a raise (Unless he is raising with AK there what do you beat? 99?)...

Not saying that is a good play (wasting a bet) just saying that that's what I'd probably do...I think Hero's stack is such where the odds of villain folding are not good enough to throw that portion of your stack out there...tricky hand...I feel for OP. I can see why he might fold it PF.

raise PF

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Yeah, I think this is a raise preflop, but I don't think limping is the end of the world. Nevertheless, probably incorrect.

When it gets back to me I basically have to decide if I want to play TT for my stack because I'm not getting odds to play for set value and I am never going to know where I am. If I called I'd virtually have to c/r all-in on almost every flop IMO. If I probe bet, half my stack is in there and I get nothing from overcards, so I think here I have to c/r. I wasn't comfortable playing "a big pot" like inyaface said (which is basically a pot for my stack) so I didn't. I think the limp is meh, and the fold is fine, but I should've raised.

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u can call pf and not have to play for ur stack, u have 25 BB's to play postflop, learn how to.

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u can call pf and not have to play for ur stack, u have 25 BB's to play postflop, learn how to.

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Oh, remember why I thought you were a douchebag.

I'm not even going to speak on this issue, I already addressed it.

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alright well your logic is extremely flawed, call me a douche bag but im better at this game then u so u should try n learn.

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I call and check the flop. Then I look into his soul.

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I play this the same way at the 109s at the 2nd level.

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i was gonna post a hand very similar to this the other day, except i was utg. i also folded. i wasn't sure if that was ok. looks like it is (although there appears some controversy).

so, what im saying is this is my line as well (until level 3, where i get crraaazyyy).

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ehh ur pretty loosey goosey