Do I have to call this river?
 

No reads on CO he is brand new to the table
BB is new as well but seems like a a decent player
I don't have to call this, right?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero?

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

I wouldn't. That T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be the worse card in the deck that could have come for TP2K. With no read, I'll save a bet and get out.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

You only have $3 into the pot so far at the river, CO seems to show two pair, I say J10 or Q10. The river call is tough, youre not losing much and CO has shown strength on the river, I probably fold...

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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That T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be the worse card in the deck that could have come for TP2K.

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The T may have counterfeited villian's QJ.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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You only have $3 into the pot so far at the river, CO seems to show two pair, I say J10 or Q10. The river call is tough, youre not losing much and CO has shown strength on the river, I probably fold...

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This is bad, bad thinking on many levels. First of all, you're thinking in terms of $ instead of BB. Second, how much money hero has put into the pot at this point is completely irrelevant to making the most +EV decision on the river.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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That T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be the worse card in the deck that could have come for TP2K.

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The T may have counterfeited villian's QJ.

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Queens and Jacks are better than Queens and tens?

or have i missunderstood you

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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That T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be the worse card in the deck that could have come for TP2K.

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The T may have counterfeited villian's QJ.

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Derf, huh? Q2 maybe. Not QJ.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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That T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be the worse card in the deck that could have come for TP2K.

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The T may have counterfeited villian's QJ.

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Queens and Jacks are better than Queens and tens?

or have i missunderstood you

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I thought you had Kings

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

You're getting 13.5-1 on your call. You have to ask yourself if you think you'll have the best hand around 7% of the time. If you ended up in this spot 100 times, would you come across 7 donk-plays?

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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You're getting 13.5-1 on your call. You have to ask yourself if you think you'll have the best hand around 7% of the time. If you ended up in this spot 100 times, would you come across 7 donk-plays?

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and, of course, the answer is no

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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and, of course, the answer is no

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I beg to differ on partypoker .50/1.00

But you probably have about 50 billion more hands than I also.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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and, of course, the answer is no

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I beg to differ on partypoker .50/1.00

But you probably have about 50 billion more hands than I also.

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If no turn raise amd then a river donk then a call is in order. But we are beat pretty much every time here. Also, BB could easily be sitting on a T.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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and, of course, the answer is no

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I beg to differ on partypoker .50/1.00

But you probably have about 50 billion more hands than I also.

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If no turn raise amd then a river donk then a call is in order. But we are beat pretty much every time here. Also, BB could easily be sitting on a T.

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yep, turn's prob a fold if you don't have the straight redraw, or a read saying CO makes these types of plays with weak hands, a c/c c/r line almost always is a sign of big strength

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

Other than being behind AK (unlikely with the absence of a PFR) QJ, QT, JT, T9, 98, or any 10 such as T8 or the (donk's favorite) T7 (Negraneau's favorite) you're in good shape.

How do you feel now?

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

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Other than being behind AK (unlikely with the absence of a PFR) QJ, QT, JT, T9, 98, or any 10 such as T8 or the (donk's favorite) T7 (Negraneau's favorite) you're in good shape.

How do you feel now?

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Bad,? That sure seems like a lot of hands? Plus I lose to any two diamonds.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

*grunch*

Since you were the preflop aggressor, CO could have anything.

I'd call since this is party .50/1.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

bottomset, just have to give you props on the icon, most original I've seen around here, lol

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

Getting 12.5 to 1 on the call, I'd say your good often enough to call here.

Re: Do I have to call this river?
 

Getting 14:1, Id call.