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I just saw this on ESPN news. That's the right choice.

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He had a great season, same with Papi. While I'm not too sure why baseball doesn't just do co-MVPs (although we could easily have had TONS of coMVPs by now then), both were deserving. I guess ARod's stats just won out.

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Stats were about the same, maybe it came down to A-rod plays in the field and Papi doesn't.

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Agreed. I f Ortiz were a full time weak fielding first baseman instead of DH, I believe he would have won the award. Remember, this is not the "best player award" which Arod clearly is.

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i am surprised ortiz's clapping skills from the dugout didn't get him a couple extra votes [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].

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how many do you have in your lifetime as a fan old man?

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how many do you have in your lifetime as a fan old man?

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Weren't Tim Raines and Andre Dawson co-MVPs one year? I could look it up, but meh...

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can i get an encore
do you want more
cookin raw with the brooklyn boys

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Good. About time they got one right.

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No.

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Standard.

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Willie Stargell and Keith Hernandez tied one year.

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Ortiz was more valuable to his team, and more valuable in late inning close games

Arod was good and pilling on runs in blowouts, and disappearing in the postseason

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How did those Red Sox games get to be close in the first place? How did the Yankee games get to be blowouts? If Ortiz had better numbers in the late innings of close games, maybe his worse numbers in the early innings were one of the reasons the games were close to begin with. You don't get extra credit for a run scored in the 8th vs. a run scored in the 4th. A-Rod contributed more wins to his team than did Ortiz. The two teams won the same number of games.

A-Rod is a .330 hitter with a .978 OPS in the post-season, vs. .307/.962 regular season.

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I just don't understand why New York doesn't like ARod? All the papers act like he didn't deserve it and should have been given to someone else. Damn yankees (northern people, not the actual team)

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I just don't understand why New York doesn't like ARod? All the papers act like he didn't deserve it and should have been given to someone else. Damn yankees (northern people, not the actual team)

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I think it's the media that doesn't like A-Rod. I'm a Yankee fan and he is one of my favorite players. I don't know any Yankee fans that don't like him. If anything negative is said about him, it's about how much money he makes, not how he plays. Except for Jeter and Mariano, he's probably the most popular Yankee player today. On the other hand, I don't know a single Mets fan that likes him. So having the Mets in NY may have a factor in how the media portrays A-Rod.

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I think it's something to do with the fact that he has not yet succeeded in the playoffs yet, and that is a big strike against him. That being said, I'm glad he's a Yankee. Sooner or later he's going to come around, right?

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I think it's something to do with the fact that he has not yet succeeded in the playoffs yet, and that is a big strike against him. That being said, I'm glad he's a Yankee. Sooner or later he's going to come around, right?

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He has succeeded in the playoffs. His playoff numbers are better than Jeter's.

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I think it's something to do with the fact that he has not yet succeeded in the playoffs yet, and that is a big strike against him. That being said, I'm glad he's a Yankee. Sooner or later he's going to come around, right?

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He has succeeded in the playoffs. His playoff numbers are better than Jeter's.

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Would those be his playoff #'s with the Yankees? Because I don't think NY cares what he did with Seattle.

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I think it's something to do with the fact that he has not yet succeeded in the playoffs yet, and that is a big strike against him. That being said, I'm glad he's a Yankee. Sooner or later he's going to come around, right?

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He has succeeded in the playoffs. His playoff numbers are better than Jeter's.

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Would those be his playoff #'s with the Yankees? Because I don't think NY cares what he did with Seattle.

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Yes, Arod has been better in the postseason as a Yankee than Jeter.

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Wow, this statement almost has me contemplating my first ignore user.

As a Yankee fan who respects both of these players, I vehemently disagree.

However, Jeter has had much more of a sample size.

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Yes, Arod has been better in the postseason as a Yankee than Jeter.

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As a Yankee fan who respects both of these players, I vehemently disagree.

However, Jeter has had much more of a sample size.

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As someone who has looked at the stats (and watched the games), I know I am right.

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A-Rod is 18 for 65 (.277) post-season as a Yankee. One great series, one mediocre one, one bad one.

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A-Rod is 18 for 65 (.277) post-season as a Yankee. One great series, one mediocre one, one bad one.

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Check out his OBP and SLG. BA is BS.

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As someone who has looked at the stats (and watched the games), I know I am right.

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Have you been looking at the stats and watching the games since 1995?

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Yes, Arod has been better in the postseason as a Yankee than Jeter.

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As a Yankee fan who respects both of these players, I vehemently disagree.

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As someone who has looked at the stats (and watched the games), I know I am right.

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it's all about the rings and clutch plays.

jeter > arod in both of those catagories.

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Yes, Arod has been better in the postseason as a Yankee than Jeter.

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As a Yankee fan who respects both of these players, I vehemently disagree.

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As someone who has looked at the stats (and watched the games), I know I am right.

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you sure about that?

the 2004 links are all screwed up at espn.com, but 2005:

jeter .333/.348/.967
arod .133/.435/.635

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As a Yankee fan who respects both of these players, I vehemently disagree.

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you sure about that?

the 2004 links are all screwed up at espn.com, but 2005:

jeter .333/.348/.967
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Pre 2005:

Jeter--.306 .380 .456
Arod--.330 .395 .583

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Pre 2005:

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does that include numbers from seattle?

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Pre 2005:

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does that include numbers from seattle?

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Those are career numbers for both players through the 2004 postseason.

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boy, i sure am convinced.

worst stat argument of the day.

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your original statement:

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boy, i sure am convinced.

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Please see Huskiez's post.

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irrelevant to your statement that arod's been better in the playoffs as a yankee than jeter. most of his career playoff numbers came as a mariner.

you said his stats as a yankee were better, then listed his stats for his career. that means absolutely nothing. personally, i don't care what he did in seattle.

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irrelevant to your statement that arod's been better in the playoffs as a yankee than jeter. most of his career playoff numbers came as a mariner.

you said his stats as a yankee were better, then listed his stats for his career. that means absolutely nothing. personally, i don't care what he did in seattle.

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Huskiez specifically asked about games whilst in Seattle, so I posted them.

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irrelevant to your statement that arod's been better in the playoffs as a yankee than jeter. most of his career playoff numbers came as a mariner.

you said his stats as a yankee were better, then listed his stats for his career. that means absolutely nothing. personally, i don't care what he did in seattle.

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Huskiez specifically asked about games whilst in Seattle, so I posted them.

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i know, but where are the numbers from new york that prove he's been better than jeter?

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I'm not sure which post you are referring to, but I'd guess it's the one regarding you watching games since 1995.

I was asking if you had been watching games since 1995, because then it would be obvious to you that Jeter has performed better in the postseason (since 1995) than ARod has as a Yankee (since 2004). NOT career wise in the postseason.

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Your reference of ARod's overall postseason stats is meaningless in this regard.

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Where did I ask this?

I think you misinterpreted my statement. See my previous post.