Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Effective stack sizes are ~$900. I go to this game to have fun, raise 4x an orbit, bluff a lot and be a donkey. In doing so, I've built up my stack up by getting lucky and bluffing in decent size pots. CO is decent, a tag and knows I'm a moron tonight but also knows I'm not a moron in general (fooled him!). He only reraised me preflop once when he had AK and me AQ. Anyway...

HERO MP+2: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop, 3 limpers, I raise to $10, Villian raises to $30, all fold, I call.

Flop ($65) Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]: check check

Turn ($65) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]: I check, villian bets $20, I raise to $80. Villian thinks for like 5 seconds, hmmms and calls.

River ($225) 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]: I bet $200, Villian immediately raises to $500 before I can even put my chips in the middle.

He does NOT have Q 10 btw.

HERO?

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

If he doesnt have Q-10, then push, because QQ is well, pretty unlikely and given you description, he is playing AQ the exact same way.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Scared of TT? QQ?

If he'll call you with AA this is an easy push IMO. If not, but he'll call with AQ, I probably still push. I think this move and the way he acted kinda screams AQ...

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Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Lead the turn.
Ok if he doesnt have q10 then push the river, if he has qq then so be it.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

OK. Just wanted to make sure no one thought it was just a call on the end. I pushed and did have QQ. Oh well.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

I flat call river and I thought so before I saw results. Hes tag, maybe hes raising river with AA-KK but I doubt it. I never fold of course but raising doesnt make snese either. He'd neevr call the push with AA KK. What value does 3 betting river have?

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OK. Just wanted to make sure no one thought it was just a call on the end.

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its either a call or a fold.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

What value does 3 betting river have?

You think he folds AQ to a three bet?

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Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

I think the odds of QQ TT are greater than villan having AQ. I know that AQ will occur more often, but given the way the hand went down, I dont see him playing AQ like this.

This is why I call, becuase AQ is likely

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

If you don't get all the chips in the middle, you might want to take up another game.

There are so many hands you beat that he plays the exact same way. Why didn't you bet the flop?

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

He re-raises with AK, not AQ. He's TAG.

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He re-raises with AK, not AQ. He's TAG.

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Uh, ok I agree, but then you advocate getting it allin? WHY? so you can say it was unlikely for him to have QQ or TT. ur ahead alot here but pushing does no good. Just causes AA KK to fold if he raised them anyway (which I doubt, he would flat call)

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

There's one more reason I pushed and I forgot to mention this in the original post. When he reraised me with AK, the action went like this:

UTG raises to $10, call, call, I raise to $50 then he mini-reraises to $100. DONKISH.

So even though a good TAG wouldn't reraise with AQ I felt THAT HE WOULD considering 1)his donkish miniraise w/AK as mentioned and 2)to isolate me, the fish. So AQ could be there. And AQ was more likely than QQ and 10 10 the only other hands he raises on the end.

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OK. Just wanted to make sure no one thought it was just a call on the end. I pushed and did have QQ. Oh well.

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Wait...you PUSHED?!?!

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Yeah why are you yelling? Am I getting a time out now?

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Reading your comments about his previous donkishness, I guess he could call with AQ/KQ...I would have called the bet.

I have not played very many 1-2 players to try that river action with anything less than a higher full than you have.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

Since this was live 1/2 and guy was a donk, you really should've been able to pick something up during the action that would allow you to get away.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

oh come on. Like what? Him breathing too heavy? His nostrils flaring? I'm teasing (kinda). You play live more than me so give me some random example.

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oh come on. Like what? Him breathing too heavy? His nostrils flaring? I'm teasing (kinda). You play live more than me so give me some random example.

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like splooging his pants

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oh come on. Like what? Him breathing too heavy? His nostrils flaring? I'm teasing (kinda). You play live more than me so give me some random example.

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Villian raises to $30

Flop ($65) Q Q 2 : check check

Turn ($65) 5 : I check, villian bets $20


hello.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

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I have not played very many 1-2 players to try that river action with anything less than a higher full than you have.

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listen to dave.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

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CO is decent, a tag

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DONKISH

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which is he??

i played a very similar 5-10 hand at the borgata back in the summer: QQ opened utg vs a KK button reraise, KKx flop went check-check, turn Q went bet-call, river blank went bet-push. my feeling at the time was that a decent player would've bet the flop with AK, and would NOT go raising a river brick.

so it goes back to whether you thought he was a donkey or a decent tag, you're giving us contradictory reads. in general i think 3bet-pushing the river like you did is pretty bad against any reasonable opponent.

Re: Live 1/2NL Deeep...Boat Interesting river
 

ummmm ok yeah I contradicted myself but what I mean is that he plays tag style, is a decent player but on the donkish side. Does that make sense or did I just crash the forum with my doubletalk?