Chopping etiquette
 

Is it OK to chop with the guy to my left, but not with the guy to my right?

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You should always be consistent (always chop with everyone or never chop with anyone). The exception is when one of your opponent's refuses.

Selective chopping (whether based on position or the cards you are dealt) is bad ettiquette and will only get people pissed at you. It's not worth it for the few hands you may get a (very very) small advantage out of.

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Thank you for your crystal-clear answer.

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When the player to your right doesn't chop but the player on your left does, this is ideal. You play when you have position but don't play when you don't.

Now if you're asking if it's ok to tell the player on your right that you don't chop, but then tell the player on your left that you do chop, while not against the rules (where I play at least) that's very poor form.

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In the cardroom that I play at if its folded to the Button he/she will fold and allow the SB/BB to chop. I've seen the button fold AA face up and say, "OK, you guys chop it." I only play 3/6 and 4/8. I don't know if this is the case at any of the bigger limits. It doesn't come up much, but I'm wondering what others think of this?

FishNChips

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In the cardroom that I play at if its folded to the Button he/she will fold and allow the SB/BB to chop. I've seen the button fold AA face up and say, "OK, you guys chop it." I only play 3/6 and 4/8. I don't know if this is the case at any of the bigger limits. It doesn't come up much, but I'm wondering what others think of this?

FishNChips

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I have seen a few players that do this on the button as well. What I think: Utterly stupid.

I wouldn't get hyperaggressive from the button -- i.e., I don't tap the fish tank -- but play my normal game.

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Is it OK to chop with the guy to my left, but not with the guy to my right?

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In my experience, chopping is per opponent, per session.

So, if you want to chop with the guy on the left but not the guy on the right, that's perfectly okay. However, once you start one way with a player, you need to continue. But I guarantee that the guy you are not chopping with is going to wonder what the hell your problem is.

And, of course, if you and your chopping buddy agree that you're no long chopping or you make some blanket statement such as "I don't chop when we're down to 5 players at the table" then that's fine also.

I like to chop. Sometimes it's good for a laugh and sometimes it saves you some money.

Regards,

T

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In the cardroom that I play at if its folded to the Button he/she will fold and allow the SB/BB to chop. I've seen the button fold AA face up and say, "OK, you guys chop it." I only play 3/6 and 4/8.

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I will exhibit my lack of cluefullness by asking why anyone would do this. Doesn't button like money?

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I will exhibit my lack of cluefullness by asking why anyone would do this. Doesn't button like money?

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Agreed. I see the point when it's BB and SB, but you're on the button with two player to go and you're in position? What if you fold your AA and SB raises?

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I will exhibit my lack of cluefullness by asking why anyone would do this. Doesn't button like money?

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Agreed. I see the point when it's BB and SB, but you're on the button with two player to go and you're in position? What if you fold your AA and SB raises?

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it was a regular (I'm not a regular - I'm a "sometimes"er) that did it and he KNEW that the SB/BB were going to chop, so out of "courtesy" he did it. I've seen SB/BB give dirty looks to button who open raised instead of folding for a chop. I've not been in the situation (4/8 kill is sooooooooo loose) and I'd hate to have to give up that advantage but I also don't want to rock the boat too much but I wanted to see what others thought...

sounds like "raise if you want, let the blinds sort it out if it gets to them."

As for chopping from SB or BB, I always chop from either of these positions UNLESS the villain in other blind doesn't. first time it comes up (usually the only time it comes up) I say "chop every time?" and if they say yes then I chop. If they say anything other than "yep, every time" then we're NEVER chopping. Its not card dependant. I've chopped AA from SB a few times and I always flip them over so BB knows I'm serious and WILL chope everything.

~FishNChips

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Some of the donks in Commerce's $9-18 game ask to chop if you have raised in position and it is folded around to the BB. One lady got really p.o.ed at me when I declined. Wierd

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Some of the donks in Commerce's $9-18 game ask to chop if you have raised in position and it is folded around to the BB. One lady got really p.o.ed at me when I declined. Wierd

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the house allows a chop like this? I am very surprised by that (assuming the 9/18 game is a rake game and not a time charge game).

Do they always ask for a chop or do they evaluate their cards first?

FishNChips

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The house does allow it.

But if you chop, you also have to return $2 to the sb. See, blinds are $3 sb and $9bb. Normally, $4 is dropped from the pot, and $1 is dropped in the jackpot...so $5 total. However, if there is no flop, $1 is taken out. If the blinds chop, the $1 comes out of the sb. But if you raise, and everyone folds to the bb, and the bb asks to chop instead you also have to give the sb back his $2....gawd its dumb, but that is what they do.

The thing is, lots of the players there like huge pots. Their chances of winning a huge pot do not matter so much as the hugeness of the pot and so long as they have at least some chance at it. These guys really disdain heads up play, which is inevitable at money limits like $9-18. It's a pain in the arse, and I don't chop except in the blinds, which I always chop since its super stupid to play headsup when there is $5 taken from the pot making QQ, KK, and AA just about the only hands that can show a long term profit.

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People can be retards. Some feel that you owe it to them to live up to their own retarded conception of 'poker ethics'.

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In the cardroom that I play at if its folded to the Button he/she will fold and allow the SB/BB to chop. I've seen the button fold AA face up and say, "OK, you guys chop it." I only play 3/6 and 4/8. I don't know if this is the case at any of the bigger limits. It doesn't come up much, but I'm wondering what others think of this?

FishNChips

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I have seen a few players that do this on the button as well. What I think: Utterly stupid.

I wouldn't get hyperaggressive from the button -- i.e., I don't tap the fish tank -- but play my normal game.

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folding AA is kind of dumb, but i have looked down at a mediocre hand like KTo on the button and straight up asked the blinds if i fold, are they going to chop. i think limping in on the button when it is folded around is pretty lame. also, be weary of a bb that looks at their cards after you say, "wanna chop?" and then they agree. i never chop after someone makes a decision AFTER looking at their cards.
i was playing nl game in the sb and asked if some guy wanted to chop. he said, i guess, even though i have a pretty good hand, and turned over Q9s. to this i flipped over my KK. needless to say, i didn't chop w/him anymore.
in closing, is it out of line to ask the blinds if they will chop if i fold on the button?

mflo

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in closing, is it out of line to ask the blinds if they will chop if i fold on the button?

mflo

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It's not out of line at all....in fact you will probably make fishies that don't like short handed play pretty happy as they can quickly move to the next hand. That said, I think you are giving up EV+ if you are not raising with at minimum 2 faces, any pocket, or A-face or A-suited. Not to mention medium sooteds at least some of the time(dependent on rake and propensity of blinds to fold).