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KingDan 11-13-2005 06:12 PM

Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB (t2520)
BB (t1295)
UTG (t3620)
UTG+1 (t2550)
MP1 (t2380)
MP2 (t3115)
Hero (t3055)
CO (t1345)
Button (t2480)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero raises to t904 folds, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t315) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t170 UTG raises to t340 UTG+1 folds, Hero calls t170.

Turn: (t995) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets t420</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1415

I assume the turn is pretty easy... How is my flop call?

TomHimself 11-13-2005 06:15 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
raise more pf, bet more flop

mlagoo 11-13-2005 06:16 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
what was the buyin?

KingDan 11-13-2005 06:19 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
215 Super on stars.

Edit and I like my standard 1/2 pot continuation bet, as it makes it easier when i whiff IMO.


TomHimself 11-13-2005 06:23 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
u didnt whiff and this is a multiway pot on a draw heavy board so bet it

and u shouldnt be raising only 3x w/ AK and 2 limpers to u

11-13-2005 06:25 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
I would have played it the same way you did.


Question, though, if the turn comes a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], completing no draws, what do you do if he leads out for t170? In that case, I think you have to treat the flop and turn here as connected events. If you believed your hand was best on the flop, and no draws came, then I would play the turn aggressivley.

mlagoo 11-13-2005 06:26 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
i agree that i would raise more PF because of the limpers. probably 120-150.

on the flop, i'm probably still doing a 1/2 pot CB, but I will often just push over his raise. i'll also often just take your exact line though (although, again, i'd raise more PF). seems ok.

KingDan 11-13-2005 06:27 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
I agree raise more preflop... I meant to just didn't. Didn't even realize I hadn't till now.

Exitonly 11-13-2005 06:29 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
i dont think he's minraising w/ a flush draw there too often. So if you were ahead on the flop, you're probably ahead on the turn. But if you can stack him everytime you hit a K (which you can't sincec you're not nececsarily ahead when you hit the K, and beccause he wont always donate his whole stack when you hit it) then you're getting enough odds to call the flop to hit the K.

but i suck in situations like this. I like the fold on the turn.

Oh, but i raise more PF, 120-150.

KingDan 11-13-2005 06:31 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
I was planning on calling down a safe turn or getting my stack in there if he bet enough.

Exitonly 11-13-2005 06:35 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
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I was planning on calling down a safe turn or getting my stack in there if he bet enough.

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You think the 9 isn't a safe turn card?

I really dont think that turn changed anynthing.

KingDan 11-13-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
The 9h scares the [censored] out of me but maybe I'm a pussy.

Exitonly 11-13-2005 06:39 PM

Re: Check minraised with AK, flop A
 
[ QUOTE ]
and I like my standard 1/2 pot continuation bet, as it makes it easier when i whiff IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]

Strassa wrote something a couple days ago about how its harder to play against someone that bets bigger.. and i thought that was really interesting and i've been trying that out. 3/4 - full pot bets on the flop... you get played back at less often at first, and then when they make mistakes vs you, they're much bigger mistakes.

I'm not sure if it's better yet, but i've been doing it the past couple days, and i like it so far.


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