Agressive AJ from the BB
 

Unknown villain...

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (8.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

I think it is too aggressive against unknown villain since unknown villains usually just call your preflop 3-bet with a marginal hand. I would put an unknown villain here on a good hand range, and thus your flop check-raise isn't likely to make him fold often enough. When having check-raised the flop, I think the turn bet is worth a shot.

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

How weak is check fold? I would probably do it.

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How weak is check fold? I would probably do it.

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I think I normally do this. I wanted to try something new.

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

checkraising doesnt have any value imo because you cannot possibly fold a better hand and youre only putting in more bets with a hand that is often behind.

having said that i dont know if i like cf, cc cf, cc cc cf, or cc cc cc.

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checkraising doesnt have any value imo because you cannot possibly fold a better hand

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You don't think I get 77-JJ, AJ, AT to fold ocasionally on the flop, or at least on my contination bet?

I agree it is expensive, but does it at least work sometimes?

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

no i dont think you ever get those pairs to fold. i also dont know why you included ATo into that list of hands, but AJo will fold sometimes.

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checkraising doesnt have any value imo because you cannot possibly fold a better hand

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You don't think I get 77-JJ, AJ, AT to fold ocasionally on the flop, or at least on my contination bet?

I agree it is expensive, but does it at least work sometimes?

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It will work sometimes, but against an unknown I don't like risky plays. Stick with things that will work most of the time against an unknown.

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

I'd just C/F it on the flop

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having said that i dont know if i like cf, cc cf, cc cc cf, or cc cc cc.

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What hands could you possibly beat that caps preflop?

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having said that i dont know if i like cf, cc cf, cc cc cf, or cc cc cc.

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What hands could you possibly beat that caps preflop?

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ATs, A9s. This is a blind steal situation.

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ATs, A9s. This is a blind steal situation.

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So on the flop we are behind AK (12 hands), any hand w/ a Q and any PP.

We split with AJ.

And we are tied w/ ATs and A9s. (8 hands total)

Looks like we are behind a lot more than we are ahead. I still don't get the calldown especially since we have to pay so much to see a showdown.

Re: Agressive AJ from the BB
 

I hate taking this to showdown. Without additional information we should be thinking not of what he could have, but what he could have that we could possibly beat. Then, when we figure out what the answer is we plug in "how often does he have that". The answer to that usually comes out "not very often at all". You mix in a bit of "how often do we pass if we're behind" (almost never) and compare the amount of times you're actually ahead to the amount of money you're going to have to put in the pot and instantly check-fold the flop.