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Roland 11-13-2005 12:12 PM

Damn...
 
7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (10.50 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___double bets___raises

5th Street - (11.25 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (11.25 BB)

BeerMoney 11-13-2005 12:16 PM

Re: Damn...
 

bad beat post?

I'd put him on aces and call!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

PoorLawyer 11-13-2005 12:17 PM

Re: Damn...
 
do you know this player well? I wouldnt think he has quads here based on the raise on third. Not worth calling down to hit your boat or quads with a pot this big?

Roland 11-13-2005 12:19 PM

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bad beat post?

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At least I can make my own bad beat posts and don’t have to ask Bart to post for me. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

BeerMoney 11-13-2005 12:30 PM

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bad beat post?

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At least I can make my own bad beat posts and don’t have to ask Bart to post for me. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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At least my name's not Roland!!! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Roland 11-13-2005 12:33 PM

Re: Damn...
 
Not terribly well, but my notes said that he’s aggressive, especially on 3rd.

11-13-2005 01:10 PM

Re: Damn...
 
You have ~15 total outs to fill up or make quads by the end and you will have to call 2 big bets to get there, plus a third on seventh if you make your hand. Seeing as how you are getting better than 12:1 to call on fifth, I cannot possibly see how this is a fold.

BeerMoney 11-13-2005 01:25 PM

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I cannot possibly see how this is a fold.

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I guess because its highly possible he's drawing practically dead.

Do you think his opponent popped him back on 4th street with aces up, after hero made it 3 bet's on 3rd?

It sucks to draw to a hand you won't even have the ballz to raise with if you get there.

11-13-2005 01:37 PM

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Do you think his opponent popped him back on 4th street with aces up, after hero made it 3 bet's on 3rd?

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I've seen more ridiculous things in Stud. Giving unknown opponents credit for one-outers is something I have not historically done in these games, and haven't lost much sleep over it. Also consider that this game is $2/4 and not a mid-limit game, and I'm willing to call two big bets given the size of the pot.

BeerMoney 11-13-2005 02:19 PM

Re: Damn...
 
do you have the stones to fold for 1 bet on the river unimproved..

Chris Daddy Cool 11-13-2005 02:41 PM

Re: Damn...
 
no chance he's playing at you with two pair? because i never fold here.

Andy B 11-13-2005 02:53 PM

Re: Damn...
 
I just can't see folding here.

Spladle Master 11-14-2005 02:57 PM

Re: Damn...
 
I would never fold in this spot. Not saying it's wrong, just that I would literally never do it.

11-14-2005 04:27 PM

Re: Damn...
 
Great fold. Here's some sims:

Villian has, villian wins %:

(Ad Ah) - 68%
(2d 2h) - 64%
(9h 2d) - 95%
(Jc Tc) - 30%

(oops, Tc is dead)...

11-14-2005 04:28 PM

Re: Damn...
 
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Great fold. Here's some sims:

Villian has, villian wins %:

(Ad Ah) - 68%
(2d 2h) - 64%
(9h 2d) - 95%
(Jc Tc) - 30%

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If Villain has AA or 22, you are getting the right odds to draw.

11-14-2005 04:37 PM

Re: Damn...
 
play on young lad. And remember only beavers make damns.

Roland 11-14-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Damn...
 
What the hell is that supposed to mean? You kinda sound like Ray Zee… [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

bigredlemon 11-14-2005 07:58 PM

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I just can't see folding here.

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bholdr 11-14-2005 09:14 PM

Re: Damn...
 
He could be making that play with AA, AK, or a nine in the hole... with three nines and three kings out by fifth, aces are just too likely, so i call it down.

he might just be a donk, too, after all.

Jeffage 11-14-2005 09:31 PM

Re: Damn...
 
I would sooner kick myself in the nuts repeatedly than lay this down.

Jeff

lstream 11-14-2005 09:43 PM

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I would sooner kick myself in the nuts repeatedly than lay this down.

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That's a hollow threat unless you have some kind of multiple jointed knees. Kind of like challenging a one legged man to an ass kicking contest.

Jeffage 11-14-2005 09:46 PM

Re: Damn...
 
Ok, I would fly Roland in to do the kicking. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Jeff

benwood 11-15-2005 12:26 AM

Re: Damn...
 
Roland, I have seen you make some big laydowns, but DAMN!

BeerMoney 11-15-2005 01:31 AM

Re: Damn...
 
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What the hell is that supposed to mean? You kinda sound like Ray Zee… [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Is it possible? Could it be??

MRBAA 11-17-2005 01:43 PM

Re: Damn...
 
This is limit poker, so the cost of calling isn't life or death to your stack. You have a big hand. It's improbable based on card odds he has quads, even though his behavior suggests he may. The pot is pretty big. Call.


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