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Is there a good gun law post out there? I was at my local gun shop today thinking of getting another piece for home protection when I overheard some rednecks and street thugs talking about the guns like they were toys. I'm looking for a really good reason to own a gun right now.

Thanks,

Indy

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Is there a good gun law post out there? I was at my local gun shop today thinking of getting another piece for home protection when I overheard some rednecks and street thugs talking about the guns like they were toys. I'm looking for a really good reason to own a gun right now.

Thanks,

Indy

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Were they also talking about God and Gays?

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First - sorry to see the wrath of [censored] came down on you. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Why were you looking for more protection? What am I missing here? My picture of you is not someone who's actually afraid of rednecks and street thugs.

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Nah I'm not that afraid of necks/thugs, but even as a republican I'm afraid of these guys getting guns so easy here in Indiana. My house was recently broken into, plus I like target shooting at the local range, so I wanna upgrade the little Berretta to a Glock 9. Still, I keep asking myself if I even need a gun...I find it shocking that you can just walk into a shop and get a gun with no permit and no training.

Indy

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OK, understand now. If you like the Glock, get it. My LEA friends mostly all swear by Glock (in various mods).

Indiana gun laws sound either too soft or, as is usually the case, they're not being enforced. In either case, Indiana leges really need to get their lazy butts in gear.

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Yah this is true. I think some people having guns is fine, but just anybody? Over in Ohio u gots ta do training and stuff first. So, any good gun rights posts out here? I've failed with the search function. And, oh yeah, [censored] is uncool for banning me but what can I do? I'm not going to go crying and betting Mat to override it. Its not that important to post in OOT anyway.

Indy

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I find it sad that you want to shoot your fellow man rather than attempt to befriend them.

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I find it sad that you want to shoot your fellow man rather than attempt to befriend them.

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LMAO

It depends entirely on what my "fellow man" is doing.

And whether I've got a clear shot in his 10-ring.

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I think he wants to be able to prevent his fellow man from doing harm to him

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I find it shocking that you can just walk into a shop and get a gun with no permit and no training.


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That's as it should be.

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I find it shocking that you can just walk into a shop and get a gun with no permit and no training.


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I find it shocking your parents were able to have children without government supervision.

Glocks Are OK........But get a..............
 

revolver.

With a Glock, if you don't fire it with a strong wrist the shells can "stovepipe" on you (aka the gun jams). If you're in a gunfight for your life you can't depend on perfect form. The solution is use a revolver for self-protection. There is no safety and revolvers are VERY reliable. If you are caught by surprise, the time to switch the safety on your semi-auto could mean you get shot first. With a revolver it is just point and shoot.

As for getting a gun, the founding fathers of the USA believed in an inherent right to self-defense. A gun in the hands of a 90lb 80yr old woman is a great equalizer when facing a 6'6" 300lb thug looking to do violence on her. If a person is a law abiding citizen who has never used a gun in a crime THEN it should be easy for them to get a gun. If a person has a history of violence using weapons then they should not be allowed to own a gun. End-of-story.

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"I find it shocking that you can just walk into a shop and get a gun with no permit and no training."


Dude, this is America. Before the rancid 1968 gun control act you could buy a gun through the mail. No FFLs and limiting gun sales to people willing to give up rights to the ATF. All kinds of stores, hardware stores, etc... sold guns. I don't mean to be too flippant, but how can Ohio, or any other state for that matter, require training or a permit to exercise a right. Do you need a permit to go to church? Do you need a permit to vote? As another poster mentioned, do you need a permit to have a kid? It is a travesty and a national disgrace guns are regulated as much as they are.

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Thanks for the responses guys. I guess the same could be said of cars. I had absolutely no business being behind the wheel at age 16, but it was the law.

Indy

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revolvers are boring. Glocks don't have safetys anymore either.

Indy

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Glocks - meh. Ugly plastic guns. I'd much prefer a nice SIG-Sauer P226:

http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/226/226.gif

Yum.

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What do you think of the Springfield that was made like the glock but more safetys?

Indy

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What do you think of the Springfield that was made like the glock but more safetys?

Indy

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Meh. I hate safeties. They're pointless. A double action trigger + decocker is all the safety you need in an automatic. I suppose if you're going to get a mini gun to carry in your pocket you might want a safety.

Really, if you haven't fired a P226, go down to your local range and rent one. Fantasticly accurate and reliable. The take-down lever is amazingly simple. Lock the slide, flip the lever, and the gun comes apart in your hands in under 1 second. Easiest gun to clean and maintain you'll ever find. Goes back together just as quickly.

I actually have two Spanish made knockoffs of the P226, manufactured by Astra/Star, the A100. I love them. 10/11 headshots at 22 yards. The A100 isn't made anymore (the company went under, their tooling was bought and they have re-emerged but aren't making the A100 now), but you can get a used one online for $200-$300. It's superior to the original P226 is that the 9mm version packs 17+1 rounds where the P226 only packs 15+1 (the take-down lever is also on the other side):

http://www.munts.nl/graphs/astra-a100-01-05.jpg

Another advantage of revolvers....
 

On G.Gordon Liddy's radio show he had a discussion of carry hand guns for self-protection. He said if someone tries to mug you and you shoot them.......DO NOT GO TO THE POLICE. His reason was there are lots of liberal anti-gun attourney's that will sue you on behalf of the thug. Your choice is to pay $30,000 in attourney fees + two years of your life or pay the extortion money to the attourney who is suing you. His advice was to destroy the ballistic evidence of the gun and then throw it in a river. With a semi-auto there it is more difficult destroy the ballistic evidence. With a revolver there is just two EASY steps involved.

That fool Bernard Goetz turned himself in when 5 thugs tried to mug him in the 1980s and he has spent most his life in courts since then. The last I heard, one of the thugs won a multi-million dollar judgement against him.

So remember: Shoot, destroy evidence, and shut-up. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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In Indiana, u can shoot the hell outta a guy if he threatens u. u wont even go downtown. Welcome to da wild west.

Indy

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In Indiana, u can shoot the hell outta a guy if he threatens u. u wont even go downtown. Welcome to da wild west.
Indy
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You may have that protection with regard to a CRIMINAL court but you do NOT have that same protection in a CIVIL court. Unless Indiana has a 'Bernard Goetz protection law' which keeps criminals from suing their victims.

In many states you have to worry about criminal court as well. They was a case were a pawnshop owner who got burglarized half-a-dozen times in 6 months. So he got some rattlesnakes and would release them on the floor when he closed up. Each morning he would get his snake handling equipment and put them back in their cage. One morning he opened the door to his shop and found a dead burglar on the floor and another cowering on top of a table. He called the cops. The DA gave the surviving robber immunity to testify and tried/convicted the shop owner on criminal charges. I forget what the exact charge was but the judge chastised the DA for giving immunity. They made a show on this case on TV. Also in the UK a home owner was sent to prison for shooting a robber with a shotgun. The UK is going down the tubes. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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The UK? Dude, I'm talking about the USA. I would be afraid to even visit a socialist country like UK:)

Indy

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On G.Gordon Liddy's radio show he had a discussion of carry hand guns for self-protection. He said if someone tries to mug you and you shoot them.......DO NOT GO TO THE POLICE. His reason was there are lots of liberal anti-gun attourney's that will sue you on behalf of the thug. Your choice is to pay $30,000 in attourney fees + two years of your life or pay the extortion money to the attourney who is suing you. His advice was to destroy the ballistic evidence of the gun and then throw it in a river. With a semi-auto there it is more difficult destroy the ballistic evidence. With a revolver there is just two EASY steps involved.

That fool Bernard Goetz turned himself in when 5 thugs tried to mug him in the 1980s and he has spent most his life in courts since then. The last I heard, one of the thugs won a multi-million dollar judgement against him.

So remember: Shoot, destroy evidence, and shut-up. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You and Liddy should get a room. Throw Libby in there and make it a threesome.