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Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
I was stumped with this one...
Villian is 50/6/1.6 after 50 hands..seems like a pretty typical player, hasnt done anything really stupid yet. PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB folds, Hero ???? Was my flop bet ok? Whats our plan for the rest of the hand? Obliky PS: Woot! 200 posts! And its only taken me nearly a year! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
I fold this hand. Small enough pot. 6max usually even more apt to play every paint card and or suited. Not worth calling to river to see his 72s or K2o
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Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
At the very least this is an attempt at a free card by someone with the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (this seems to be the third thing semi-crappy players learn, after the check-raise and slowplaying aces), and with low aggression he's probably raising his soooted K-rag (or slowplayed aces).
It's such a small pot I'm not sure I want to see how this movie ends. |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
Stumped?
This fold is very routine and you should start laying it down without a second thought. |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
Folding would be wrong. I can't see how the other 2 posters find a 9.5SB pot small. You get 13.5:5 pot odds to call down or even better if you fold when another club falls or if villain checks etc. Which means you need to win this 27% of times max.
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Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
flop bet is standard.
wow, 50% vpip and aggr factor of 1.6? that means he's betting and raising A LOT! I'm tempted to call down from here. then again you only have 50 hands on him... |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
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This fold is very routine and you should start laying it down without a second thought. [/ QUOTE ] Although I fold it, its hardly routine. If this is a player taking shots at people, we need to call down. |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
a fold here would be painful for your metagame, particularly at 6m.
add to that the decent chance he is doing this with nothing more than Qcx or Acx and its a harder choice than it initially looks. i still fold tho |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
It pains me to see so many people advocating a fold here. At the very least he should call the raise and see the turn.
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Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
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It pains me to see so many people advocating a fold here. At the very least he should call the raise and see the turn. [/ QUOTE ] What's your turn plan? |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
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[ QUOTE ] It pains me to see so many people advocating a fold here. At the very least he should call the raise and see the turn. [/ QUOTE ] What's your turn plan? [/ QUOTE ] Unless that 4th club hits, I'm in to the end. |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It pains me to see so many people advocating a fold here. At the very least he should call the raise and see the turn. [/ QUOTE ] What's your turn plan? [/ QUOTE ] Unless that 4th club hits, I'm in to the end. [/ QUOTE ] amen |
Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
i would have folded. he probably either has hit a flush, or hit a king pair... QQ is behind too many hands here.
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Re: Oh dear...thats not a good flop (6-max)
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It pains me to see so many people advocating a fold here. At the very least he should call the raise and see the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. I think we could let this go if a passive player were doing the raising, but villain in this hand is very aggressive, and over-aggressive LAGs love to bluff at 1) paired boards and 2) flush boards. Villain knows this board is probably scary for us. Sometimes he'll have a K and every once in a blue moon he'll have flopped a flush, but more often he'll just have a flush draw or he's taking a shot. At the absolute minimum I am seeing the turn and probably calling down if the flush doesn't come in. It seems like a decent alternative line would be to donk a safe-looking turn and see how villain responds. This particular villain is over-aggressive but not to the point of being maniacal, so if he raises the turn you could probably dump your hand at that point at save a BB relative to calling down. More often, though, I just go for the calldown. |
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