Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

Played correctly or FPS?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

Cap pre-flop and bet all the way. Don't put yourself in a position where you allow no bets to go in on a street.

So, yes, this is the definition of FPS.

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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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It's fine except for those times villain checks behind the turn and you lose tons and tons of value.

Only take this line if you KNOW villain will bet both the flop and turn when checked to. And, even then, capping and betting all the way may make it harder for villain to find a good fold.

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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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I really want to also. She could be holding a hand like AK and suspect a river bluff. Maybe AJs or something like that. KK/QQ are very likely possibilities, and JJ,44,22 are mathematically less likely.

I'd probably lead this flop and hope to get raised, so I could go for the c/r on the turn. Similar to your line but I get an extra bet in on the flop.

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There's so much shuckin and jivin here the analysis gets awkward but if we begin with preflop is fine - not capping when HU is perfectly OK.

But you must then lead the flop (you have under-represented your hand preflop) now you should come out big because 95% of the time you are going to get raised to which you can

a. call and c/r the turn if villain is pretty certain to bet when checked to... or
b. 3 bet and lead the turn and river; this, if villain is the type to check behind on the turn with overs.

In any event, as played, your preflop, flop and turn plays are so funky as to make me want to 3bet/call the river.

With 99 and JJ the only likely hands that we are losing to and with 99 possibly folding to the turn raise, I think going to the mat on the river is warranted.

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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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I really want to also. She could be holding a hand like AK and suspect a river bluff. Maybe AJs or something like that. KK/QQ are very likely possibilities, and JJ,44,22 are mathematically less likely.

I'd probably lead this flop and hope to get raised, so I could go for the c/r on the turn. Similar to your line but I get an extra bet in on the flop.

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I think it's very important to realize that if you don't capp pre-flop bet-calling the flop becomes much, much better than check-calling.

Another thing we can consider is check-raising the flop, hoping to get three-bet, and check-raising again on the turn. Then check-raise the river and open a bottle of champagne. Obviously that line requires an opponent who's betting pretty much automatically when checked.

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Another thing we can consider is check-raising the flop, hoping to get three-bet, and check-raising again on the turn. Then check-raise the river and open a bottle of champagne. Obviously that line requires an opponent who's betting pretty much automatically when checked.

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Good lord, man, do you realize how "changed" you are in the last several weeks? I was going to comment on this a week or 2 ago but this post puts you over the top! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

what is FPS? and yeah you gotta cap that preflop.

Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

You most certainly do not need to cap preflop here.

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I really think capping preflop is better, but I don't think it's that terrible not to. I would bet the flop.

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misplayed on every street? slow play is wrong play generally. an overpair to a single villian is still dangerous. win a small pot instead of loosing a big one. cap preflop. show aggression and slow down when met. check and call to river. donk may have hit a set or two pair. the joy of NL and pushing PF is you dont have to play guessing games post flop. get your money in when you have the best of it. if donk wants to chase, variance will always determine the long term winnner.

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misplayed on every street? slow play is wrong play generally. an overpair to a single villian is still dangerous. win a small pot instead of loosing a big one. cap preflop. show aggression and slow down when met. check and call to river. donk may have hit a set or two pair. the joy of NL and pushing PF is you dont have to play guessing games post flop. get your money in when you have the best of it. if donk wants to chase, variance will always determine the long term winnner.

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This advice is disgustingly wrong.


Your play in the AA hand is fine, given you have a read that your opponent is indeed aggressive. I would probably have threebet the river.

It's usually better though, to cap without position and be more deceptive when you have position. But this is fine as long as it's a mix-up play, rather than your standard play.

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Fancy Play Syndrome

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I agree that if you are slowplaying preflop by not capping you need to show aggression on the flop and get some bets in to make up for the bet you lost preflop.

Bet/call, c/r seems like a decent line, but against an aggro opponent you can usually make more by just jamming post-flop.

If 99 sucked out on you, so be it, you WANT 99 to call you down the whole way

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Preflop call is fine heads up, but you have to make it up somewhere.

I had a live hand like this against an extremely aggressive opponent recently and I went bet-3bet/check-raise/check-raise. But I wouldn't advise that sort of madness without a good read.

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Don't put yourself in a position where you allow no bets to go in on a street.

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this can't be right

Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

cap preflop, continue betting. This is even more awful because you didnt provide a read on villain.

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A better line if you ren't going to cap PF. This line requires you to be reasonably sure you're against another big pair and your opponent must be aggressive.

Flop: Bet, call.

Turn: Bet, 3-Bet.

River: Bet, call/3-bet depending on the opponent.

- Jim

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This is even more awful because you didnt provide a read on villain.

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Someone take the OP behind the shed and whip his arse for this egregious mistake!

Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?
 

Thanks to all for your comments. After the hand, I hated how I played this post-flop, knowing that I should have led on the flop. Just wanted to see various view points on how you would have played it.