Sit with max when 200 BB is allowed ?
 

Hi,

I understand that you should allways sit sown with max.

I.e. 100 NL, sit down with 100 $.

But at Apsolute Poker, at 0.50/1.0, you can sit down with 200, instead of normally 100.

Should you sit down with 200 here allways ?

Or does it matter what the others sit with ?

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you should ALWAYS sit with as much money as possible. that way, you can always get the maximum amount of money from your opponent when they go all-in and you have the nuts.

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If you feel you play better than others at the table, then yes, I would say you want to have them covered at all times if possible.

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This depends a lot on the table and on your play. If $200 is too much for you to put in on a single hand, don't play with that much.

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Or does it matter what the others sit with ?

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Of cours it does, if no-one has more than 110 there is no need to buy-in for more than that, I always buy in for maximum though.

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My theory has always been sit down with whatever you're comfortable with. If you aren't comfortable losing $200, then don't buy in for that much.

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you should look around the table and honestly evaluate how you compare. ideally, you want to buy in for more than the guys you're better than and less than the guys you're worse than.

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depends on your playstyle - if you are TAG nut-peddler then max buy in makes sense as you aren't going to commit your chips without a premium hand - if you're a LAG who likes to push with QQ or a flush draw on the flop with one overcard then a 50% buy-in might be a better idea [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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depends on your playstyle - if you are TAG nut-peddler then max buy in makes sense as you aren't going to commit your chips without a premium hand - if you're a LAG who likes to push with QQ or a flush draw on the flop with one overcard then a 50% buy-in might be a better idea [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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On the contrary, a LAG should buy-in for the max all the time, every single time. That way you can really LAG it up.

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If you feel you are one of the better players at the table (and should never sit at a table without this feeling) then the maximum is the correct answer. Unless you are practicing a short strategy or just starting out, you want to cover as many people as possible at the table.

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Or does it matter what the others sit with?

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Of course it does, if no-one has more than 110 there is no need to buy-in for more than that....

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This could change in one hand.

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This depends a lot on the table and on your play. If $200 is too much for you to put in on a single hand, don't play that high.

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FYP.

You do have to be aware of how the table is playing, though. I play in two local games where the max buy-in is greater than the standard 100BB, and I always buy-in for the max, even if most other players are buying in short. I used to play a large stack very poorly. If this is your case, then I agree somewhat with xorbie.

But at the same time, would you also quit every time you built your stack to 200BB during a session? If the answer is no, then buy the full amount.

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consider your bankroll when doing this. If you only have a 20 (normal) buy-in roll, then i wouldn't buy in for 200BB. Buying "short" can also ease the transition when moving up. I'm testing the waters at 100NL, and only buy in for 100BB at those tables, but still do the full 200BB at 50NL.

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It is not true that you should always sit down with the max. Barry Greinstein advocates buying in short in his book. I have been trying it lately by buying in for 50BBs, and it has brought success so far. I get a lot of loose calls I probably wouldn't get if I had a full stack behind . . . either players don't mind losing 45BBs with top pair or they think I'm bad because I bought in short (or both). It also makes decision making with TPTK and overpairs very easy.

That being said, if a table is particularly juicy I will buy in for the max to take advantage. Last session there was a full-ring table with 3 horrible players that had all chipped up big time. I dropped a buy-in on AA all-in pre-flop and decided to rebuy max . . . was up to $400 in about 30 minutes.

Time and place for everything . . .

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It is not true that you should always sit down with the max. Barry Greinstein advocates buying in short in his book.

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People keep saying this, but I don't remember it from Barry's book. Can you get the quote and context, please?

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Barry Greinstein advocates buying in short in his book. I have been trying it lately by buying in for 50BBs, and it has brought success so far. It also makes decision making with TPTK and overpairs very easy.

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I have no sources, but I think that a solid player with good control will earn more from TPTK and overpair hands with a large stack than with a small stack, over the long run. I am not one of those players.

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If you have the book, you should be able to find it. He was clear on the subject. He said he usually buys in short because it makes decisions easier.

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i started as a limit player, so buying in short has helped me make the change. i have been buying in short lately, so i can play almost limit style, but make more money than if i were playing limit. also, i agree that people seem to pay me off a lot more, because they assume i suck donkey balls because of my short stack. while i'm not great, i usually still have the best hand when the money goes in. i'm not sure if they would pay me off as much if i had a full buy-in, but my results have been quite good so far. next week i might go back up to the full buy-in and try to play poker again. if you start tilting, i recommend buying short. it helps.

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if you start tilting, leave. it helps.

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FYP

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I have no sources, but I think that a solid player with good control will earn more from TPTK and overpair hands with a large stack than with a small stack, over the long run. I am not one of those players.

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I disagree. Buying in short limits your value from sets, straights, and flushes . . . nut-type hands. A lot of the time when you get more than 50BBs in with TPTK and overpairs, your hand will not be the winner, so buying in short does not lose you much/any from TPTK and overpairs.

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Or does it matter what the others sit with ?

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Of cours it does, if no-one has more than 110 there is no need to buy-in for more than that, I always buy in for maximum though.

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What do you do when a player with 110 goes all-in and is called by a player with 105? Then there is one less player at the table but the same amount of money.

Edit: I can see a justification in buy-in short for metagame purposes, but I don't think it really matters at this limit. For most people who are playing 25NL-100NL online, it doesn't really apply since the play is so bad.

If you're taking a shot at a higher limit and are unsure of how the game actually plays, I guess I could see why someone would buy-in short. However, if you're playing scared then you shouldn't be playing at all.

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That is actually the only thing I liked about Absolut... but I still split as soon as I cleared my bonus [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

How good is your deep stack game? If you think it's better than the others', the extra 100BB can be a godsend. If you are not willing to stick it all in when the flush gets there and you are faily sure he doesn't have one, there's no point.

my 2c. Interesting what the others said.

Kirk

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I just re-read this entire post, and there is some stunningly bad advice in here. Whew.

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Concerning the "always buy for max", this is clearly an oversimplification, and wrong.

If all players have a much bigger stack then you, then they are going to make mistakes against you: their play will be influenced by implied odds against other players. If you go allin pre-flop with many callers, it is better if they have deep stacks (compared with averybody almost allIn), as they could start making each other fold pre- or post-flop.

Of coure, if you are the better player, deep stacks alow bigger error from the others...

An other thing: do you feel comfortable when you have acquired a big stack and there are other big stack? I does change the dinamics of the table...


Qwerty

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An other thing: do you feel comfortable when you have acquired a big stack and there are other big stack? I does change the dinamics of the table...


Qwerty

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The question you have to answer is does the other big stack feel uncomfortable that I now have a big stack?

Playing a big stack well is much more profitable than using an eternal short-stack strategy. Big stacks know that a good short stacker has only two decisions: push or fold. Makes them easier to read and bully (assuming big stack is also a good player).

I find that when you have a big stack it is much easier to maintain pot control, especially if you demonstrate you are willing to put anyone at the table all-in at any time.

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Always buy in for the max if you are a winning player. If the amount of money is too much for you to play comfortably then move down a level and play with 200BB there. Leaving 100 big bets on the table when you have an ace high flush and somone else has a lower flush is not +EV.