Raised on the river
 

This river decision was really close for me. Obviously the scare hand on this board is a straight, but he could also have J8 REALLY easily here. Does anyone fold the river? No relevant stats, sorry.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Re: Raised on the river
 

Given this board I think bet fold is a good line against an unknown.

Re: Raised on the river
 

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he could also have J8 REALLY easily here.

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I dont see this. I dont see an unknown raising J8s, and even if he does, he's definitely raising this flop if he hits.

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Getting 13.5:1 you can't fold just because of the possibility of 87.

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im never folding this.

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im never folding this.

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im never folding this.

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We know. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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haha its gotten to the point where my advice is implied even if i dont post. sweet.

Re: Raised on the river
 

I don't fold, but you probably can, but folding means you don't get to see what beat you so I call. There is no logic behind my answer besides, internte + big pot + shania = call.

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im never folding this.

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13.5:1 is too much for me to fold this.

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I'd call the river. Also I nearly always checkraise the flop.

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I don't fold, but you probably can, but folding means you don't get to see what beat you so I call. There is no logic behind my answer besides, internte + big pot + shania = call.

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That and the fact that it's relatively hard for dude to have a 9 here given how the hand played out.

Rob

Re: Raised on the river
 

Villain could have 99 here, but that makes his flop/turn play rather odd IMO. I think he is bluff-raising a scare card here, not necessarily a lot, but often enough that you have a fairly easy call given the pot odds. (And J8 doesn't seem that likely to me given the action.)

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I nearly always checkraise the flop.

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I do too, but I like to lead sometimes to mix it up. I probably check raise ~90% of the time.

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I nearly always checkraise the flop.

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I do too, but I like to lead sometimes to mix it up. I probably check raise ~90% of the time.

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"mixing it up" is important, but i think you need to check-raise this flop situation every time. there is too much to lose.

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I nearly always checkraise the flop.

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I do too, but I like to lead sometimes to mix it up. I probably check raise ~90% of the time.

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"mixing it up" is important, but i think you need to check-raise this flop situation every time. there is too much to lose.

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I don't really follow. What do you mean by "there is too much to lose"? Outside of betting the nuts when checked to on the river and things like that, I think it's quite a bold statement to say you need to do anything everytime, let alone check raise a 3 way flop with TP and a 5 kicker. Just to be clear, I almost always do check raise the flop; but I can't really see how it's something I absolutely have to do every time.

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I nearly always checkraise the flop.

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I do too, but I like to lead sometimes to mix it up. I probably check raise ~90% of the time.

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"mixing it up" is important, but i think you need to check-raise this flop situation every time. there is too much to lose.

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I don't really follow. What do you mean by "there is too much to lose"? Outside of betting the nuts when checked to on the river and things like that, I think it's quite a bold statement to say you need to do anything everytime, let alone check raise a 3 way flop with TP and a 5 kicker. Just to be clear, I almost always do check raise the flop; but I can't really see how it's something I absolutely have to do every time.

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im not saying it as an absolute; but with a guy behind him who will likely call one, you can trap the whole field for 2 bets (rather than the 1 bet that you did). unless of course, you have some read that MP will likely raise here, then you can bet with the intention of 3betting.