Is 2 to 7 lowball dead?
 

Hi


I just read about kansas city lowball (the no-limit 2 to 7 lowball game with one draw) in the original super/system. I downloaded a video of 2004's WSOP event on this game, and I think it looks like a really fun game and I'd love to pick it up if anyone else still plays it.

It seems they even cancelled the event alltogether in the 2005 WSOP.


Is this game still played anywhere, live or online?

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Hi


I just read about kansas city lowball (the no-limit 2 to 7 lowball game with one draw) in the original super/system. I downloaded a video of 2004's WSOP event on this game, and I think it looks like a really fun game and I'd love to pick it up if anyone else still plays it.

It seems they even cancelled the event alltogether in the 2005 WSOP.


Is this game still played anywhere, live or online?

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As the FAQ states, GamesGrid offers cash games and will run private tournaments. The cash games hardly ever run, though.

Re: Is 2 to 7 lowball dead?
 

It was in the 2005 WSOP, and is on the schedule for 2006. For practical purposes it's their biggest buyin tournament ($5k + rebuys) so it seems less likely to be done away with than others.

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NL 2-7 lowball (aka Kansas City Lowball) was in the 2005 WSOP (won by David Gray) and is still in the schedule for 2006. It is always one of the smallest fields because of the large buy-in, rebuys, and that most people have never had an opportunity to seriously play the game. It's hard to play the game unless you play ultra-high mixed games, can get your buddies to play at home, or find the day where someone at GamesGrid will play with you or a private tourney is scheduled.

I think it would take a site the size of say PokerStars (Hint Hint) spreading it to get deuce-to-seven rolling again.

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Hm, I think they offer the triple draw version of the game


i'm really showing interest only in the single draw 2 to 7 game.. i get the impression no one plays it anymore, what a shame

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Hm, I think they offer the triple draw version of the game


i'm really showing interest only in the single draw 2 to 7 game.. i get the impression no one plays it anymore, what a shame

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They offer both limit triple draw and NL single draw, I've played both.

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Hm, I think they offer the triple draw version of the game


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They have both, though it's hard to find anyone playing either these days. I can't blame people for not playing NL 2-7, as the rake is huge.

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cool so what's the game's feel like? Like is it harder to make a big hand in NL 2 to 7 single draw than in NL hold'em? Or anything else (good or bad comments) that sets the game apart in your opinion?

there must be at least some bad things about it to explain it's low popularity

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cool so what's the game's feel like? Like is it harder to make a big hand in NL 2 to 7 single draw than in NL hold'em? Or anything else (good or bad comments) that sets the game apart in your opinion?


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To be honest, playing against tight players is very, very boring, and loose players get busted almost immediately. Because there are only two rounds, there isn't a lot of play in the game and it's hard to have much of an edge against another decent player. It's a game that needs a constant stream of fish much more than Holdem does, and it's harder to get them. It is a pretty decent tournament game, though, as the format adds enough strategy to make it interesting.

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I have a feeling that single draw requires a very large ante and a fairly low rake to be a sustainable and interesting cash game.

Unfortunately, Games Grid offers neither of those features.

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This thread has got me itching to play some lowball again. Maybe I should organize another NL 2-7 tourney if the RGPers are slacking. I'm the reigning Internet champion at this point, right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Or I could poke GamesGrid about a RAT tournament: Razz, single draw A-5, triple draw 2-7. I so want to play this.

Unfortunately GG is not thriving...

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I know it's not the same, but UltimateBet offers regular playmoney and cash TripleDraw games (ring and sit&go). I think it's mostly limit though. I've yet to see a normal duece to seven game, TripleDraw seems to be more popular.

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I have a feeling that single draw requires a very large ante and a fairly low rake to be a sustainable and interesting cash game.

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That sounds about right--the WSOP event started with blinds of $50-$100 and a $25 ante. I recall the ante staying very large throughout, about 1/3rd of the SB.

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Hi


I just read about kansas city lowball (the no-limit 2 to 7 lowball game with one draw) in the original super/system. I downloaded a video of 2004's WSOP event on this game, and I think it looks like a really fun game and I'd love to pick it up if anyone else still plays it.

It seems they even cancelled the event alltogether in the 2005 WSOP.


Is this game still played anywhere, live or online?

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It is very popular at high-stakes games, particularly in rotation games. The biggest reason why it isn't popular is that it is always spread in three- or four-digit limit games. Though the average poker player won't play a lot, or even any, of it, I'd say it's very much alive.