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Spook 11-08-2005 09:08 PM

limp-reraised in BB
 
UTG is 60/5/.8 over 35 or so hands. Likes to call more than bet.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>
Final Pot: 17 BB

I don't think UTG will raise me, UTG+1 is more likely to raise UTG on the flop. Otherwise, I can't find a good time to get my money in.

Spicymoose 11-08-2005 09:18 PM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
Limp reraises from early position fairly often mean AA, KK, or AK. Since it is extremely unlikely he has KK (one combo), you are likely way ahead of his hand, but he will think he likes his hand. So lead into him, and let him raise you. Sometimes he will have worse hands, but still raise. Sometimes someone else will like their hand and raise you. Then 3-bet the flop. Given that you checked, raise.

Given that you just called, the ace is a pretty bad card, as it gives him the edge in a lot of his likely preflop holdings. This doesn't necessarily mean you are beat, but just call the turn. I think you can fold the river.

RiverTheNuts 11-08-2005 09:34 PM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
I juice the crap out of the flop, bet the turn and call down from there, calling 1 on the river.

How you played it I think this is an easy fold

Button either has 88, KQ, A8, A2, or a donkish JT, possibly even AQ, you are ahead here approximately 0% of the time

Catt 11-09-2005 12:29 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
I think you should fold pre-flop the first time it comes to you. And I think you need to C/R this flop.

New001 11-09-2005 12:38 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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I think you should fold pre-flop the first time it comes to you. And I think you need to C/R this flop.

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I agree entirely.

scotty34 11-09-2005 12:44 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
Fold this preflop. I think I would donk the flop and hope he raises you. Given that you didn't do that, you have to atleast C/R and jam it.

11-09-2005 01:54 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
Fold this preflop, where are you going?

c/r the flop.

bugstud 11-09-2005 01:58 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
all this fold PF crap when he's getting 9-1 is a little overboard, and I think a turn c/r is nails. I fold the river because he's down to jj/tt/random crap you beat and the other guy probably has you as well.

New001 11-09-2005 02:11 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
9-1 with an bad offsuit hand that's easily dominated against a PFR, and it's against a large field. Your relative position to the PFR is also very poor if you do hit the flop and want to continue. I don't even feel bad about playing this, and I play tons of awful (mostly suited) hands from the BB.

I could be wrong...

bugstud 11-09-2005 02:56 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
I'd like to hear your calling range here, as a curiousity.

Entity 11-09-2005 02:59 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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I'd like to hear your calling range here, as a curiousity.

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I call with any pair and just about anything suited. Offsuit hands, especially in 3/6 which runs more passively, KQ, AT+, and I tread very carefully postflop when I flop TP and receive any amount of action. K8o is a really quick fold for me preflop here.

Rob

New001 11-09-2005 03:03 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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I'd like to hear your calling range here, as a curiousity.

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I call with any pair and just about anything suited. Offsuit hands, especially in 3/6 which runs more passively, KQ, AT+, and I tread very carefully postflop when I flop TP and receive any amount of action. K8o is a really quick fold for me preflop here.

Rob

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This looks a lot like mine. I'll go down to KJo a lot of the time, very rarely KTo, QJo, rarely QTo, and JTo. It depends on the raiser though. Also, any two suited and all pairs. I'm more willing to play something like JTo than I would ATo here. I don't know if that's right, but I feel comfortable with it.

bugstud 11-09-2005 03:13 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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I'd like to hear your calling range here, as a curiousity.

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I call with any pair and just about anything suited. Offsuit hands, especially in 3/6 which runs more passively, KQ, AT+, and I tread very carefully postflop when I flop TP and receive any amount of action. K8o is a really quick fold for me preflop here.

Rob

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This looks a lot like mine. I'll go down to KJo a lot of the time, very rarely KTo, QJo, rarely QTo, and JTo. It depends on the raiser though. Also, any two suited and all pairs. I'm more willing to play something like JTo than I would ATo here. I don't know if that's right, but I feel comfortable with it.

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hmmm. I wonder if I could pool db's and see how something like Q2s runs vs K8o outta the BB multiway.

Spook 11-09-2005 03:37 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
The first preflop raiser had pretty loose raising standards, which made me lean towards calling. I almost did muck this.

bugstud 11-09-2005 04:58 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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The first preflop raiser had pretty loose raising standards, which made me lean towards calling. I almost did muck this.

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well I know I defend K9/KT here...so we start slippery sloping

Catt 11-09-2005 05:14 AM

Re: limp-reraised in BB
 
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The first preflop raiser had pretty loose raising standards, which made me lean towards calling. I almost did muck this.

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well I know I defend K9/KT here...so we start slippery sloping

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I don't really think of this as defending. If it were a CO or Button open, you might find me 3-betting some raisers with K8o, and defending against most. But with 4 people in, OOP, with a weak offsuit hand whose top-pair risks domination and whose second pair doesn't hold a lot of promise, I am turbo-mucking. Like the others, I'd be calling any PP in a heartbeat, and a really huge range of suited cards (if not all of them). Offsuit will be few and far inbetween, but probably close to Entity's range of KQo and ATo.


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