How can fish NOT know about rake? Outrageous true example.
 

OK, this happened last night. I was playing a new network that a big former Prima site switched to. They have these promo's going that pay for every 10,000-1,000,000 even hands. Plus a black jack promo. So I wanted to try to win one of those magic numbered hands and went to the highest limit game going on there. .25/.50 it was. Good enough to qualify.

So anyways, before the magic hand goes off, the software crashes as it always does every 15 minutes or so. I thought it was just on my end, but when I reconnected I was the first person back to the table and everyone was then folded around to me and I took the pot that was stalled. Then the software booted everyone but me, and some new player sat down at the same time.

I decided to stay and play for the hell of it. I had 28 bucks and the new guy had 12. He kept rivering me the first 10 hands, really pissed me off. I had 17 and he had 17 at one point.

So then I decided to wipe him out for spite, cuz I hate being rivered like that when he calls with no odds everytime. 15 minutes later, he had nothing left.

Guess how much I had, after playing a total of about 20 minutes at the most heads up? I had 26. I started with 28.
So for 20 minutes of play we paid 14 bucks in rake.

How can a fish not notice when he wipes someone out and ends up with less money than he started???

So to those who say fish don't notice or care about rake, I think that can't be true for long. Eventually they'll realize at low limits where fish start, it's impossible to win. Then they won't continue further into higher stakes because they'll feel they suck at poker. Even though they may be pretty good. But the rake just sucks out everything from their bankroll.

Sites, listen up, don't rape the beginning micro limit players like this. Keep the rake down so they can get started and move up in limits.

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on the site's blackjack, does the dealer hit on soft 17? you left that part out.

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"So to those who say fish don't notice or care about rake, I think that can't be true for long."

No.

" Eventually they'll realize at low limits where fish start, it's impossible to win. "

Prehaps but it will not involve any recognition of the rake.

I firmly believe that it may be possible that the best game is the one with the highest rake. I'd go back to Pacific except for about 20 reasons...

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Prehaps but it will not involve any recognition of the rake.


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If you were sitting at a table with $28 and a guy joined with $14 and you two played HU for 20 minutes before wiping out your opponent, then saw you only had $26 after all that, wouldn't that alert you to what rake can do???

They raked 1 cent for every dime in the pot. Unreal. Who can really afford to play micro-limits with rakes like that? What would be the point? New players just starting out would go away feeling it's impossible to win online poker without ever having moved up in limits.

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So then I decided to wipe him out for spite, cuz I hate being rivered like that when he calls with no odds everytime. 15 minutes later, he had nothing left.

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I really wish I could do this on command.

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How can a fish not notice when he wipes someone out and ends up with less money than he started???

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how many fish u think actually wipes someone out?

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cuz I hate being rivered like that when he calls with no odds everytime.

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Yeah man, I hate it when fish make moves that are +EV for me. I'm so sick of winning money.

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Your example is a little extreme. Most fish don't play heads up. If they did they would probably notice the rake eventually, but at full or even short tables it is tough to notice.

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How can a fish not notice when he wipes someone out and ends up with less money than he started???

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Was that a freudian fish .... er I mean slip......

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I thought most rooms do not rake 2 and 3 handed games at full tables. Or am i just on crack?

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I've said before, and will continue to maintain, that (insert any adjective describing ingnorance here) will tend to remain so despite overwhelming evidence proving that they are.

It's true in almost all avenues of life, with some exceptions - but the exceptions are just that: exceptions.

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How can a fish not notice when he wipes someone out and ends up with less money than he started???

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Was that a freudian fish .... er I mean slip......

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Yeah, LOL, freudian fish.

But seriously, I was happy to bust that guy out, but then it was tempered by the fact I lost 2 bucks in the process. Made me think hard how these low limit players can continue at those tables. Sure, most don't play heads up, and most don't play at sites that take a cent out of every dime in the pot, but still, rake at low limits is EXTREME. So fish are being preyed upon by the sites no matter how you cut it. Which is not a good thing for anyone.

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Back when I propped stud 8 for ACR I had this experience numerous times. I would sometimes bust players through several buy-ins and often still wind up somewhere around even. The only thing that made it worthwhile was that I was also being paid by the hand.

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I thought most rooms do not rake 2 and 3 handed games at full tables. Or am i just on crack?

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You're on crack. Nothing's for free, unless there's no flop.

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But seriously, I was happy to bust that guy out, but then it was tempered by the fact I lost 2 bucks in the process. Made me think hard how these low limit players can continue at those tables.

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So you finally found out how much money you pay in rake?

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I thought most rooms do not rake 2 and 3 handed games at full tables. Or am i just on crack?

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Point proven, end of thread.

Lori

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the problem is that alot of people cannot grasp the concept of long term equity. an example of this would be trying to tell someone that playing in tournaments is -ev because if you win you are forced to pay taxes on the money but if you lose you cannot deduct your buyins because you have no income to report anyway. i have heard so many times from so many people "but who cares if you pay taxes on a tournament win, winning something is better than winning nothing." an advanced concept of why tournaments are -ev is because if you win a large tournament you are put in a high tax bracket but if you deduct your buyins from your income youre deducting from a lower tax bracket making the proposition -ev if your ROI is less than the tax differential.

they just dont get it.