use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

Do you use chat to outplay your opponents? If so, how? I generally don't chat (except for "nh" and "ty"). I think it gives away information. Some that I've seen:

- "mmmmmm... fish..." - after a hand to get him steaming
- "show me the money","AA, call if you want to" - right before moving all-in
- "I feel like gambling."
- "my last hand"
- "going all-in next hand no matter what"

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

sometimes, but not really.. depends on the players and the situation.

i'm usually the one steaming! but i've gotten a LOT better when it comes to taking beats.

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Usually just "gh" and "ty", and other civil remarks. It's what's right, and it might get your play just a bit more respect.

Occasionally, if I'm out of the hand, and I really want to see the hole cards of someone else who is clearly considering folding to a big bet....

"Gambooooooooooool!"

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I dont believe anything anyone says. Its all part of the bluff. Granted, I am also multitabling so I doubt that I would even see it in a timely fashion.

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Occasionally, if I'm out of the hand, and I really want to see the hole cards of someone else who is clearly considering folding to a big bet....
"Gambooooooooooool!"

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When I have a hand and someone folds to my raise, they'll say something like "bully" or "nice bluff" to get me to show my cards. I muck without saying anything. Pay to see.

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Occasionally, if I'm out of the hand, and I really want to see the hole cards of someone else who is clearly considering folding to a big bet....
"Gambooooooooooool!"

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When I have a hand and someone folds to my raise, they'll say something like "bully" or "nice bluff" to get me to show my cards. I muck without saying anything. Pay to see.

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i love when someone tries to call my hand and they are waaaaay off.. i'll muck and then say how right they were in chat.. not too sarcastic, just so they get nice and full of themselves and their great reads.

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

I'm a big fan of using chat to your advantage. Banter is part of the game, granted it doesn't have to be nasty, but poker is a psychological game. I respect those folks who want to play "above board", but I don't necessarily think it makes you a terrible person if you try to soften someone up with some artful commentary.

Couple examples:

In smaller NLHE games (i.e. Party 25nl), I got a ton of miledge out of a maneuver where you get a massive overbet paid off with a monster when you know your opponent holds a lesser but strong hand. Before pushing, simply go "hmm...no way you have that ace" and toss em in. Theres a surprisingly large number of weak players (maybe not surprising, actually) that will pay off. Perhaps they'd have paid off without the chat, but I really think that it is +ev in some cases.

As the games get bigger, that sort of manuever probably won't work as folks will be considering more than just their cards before paying off. But, having people that are losing at your table is definately +EV, as someone who has already lost a buy-in HAS to be statistically more likely to drop another. Therefore, it has to be in your best interest to get a busted player to rebuy. Some people respond well to taunts ("Well, there goes the last of your bankroll. Someone that bad CAN'T possibly have any more coin."), and others will respond to being comforted ("Wow, what a terrible beat. Don't worry, you can get it back from that fish!").

Either way, chatting is definately +EV in my book. I also base this somewhat knowing that I've been tilted by chat before. For some reason, a LAG that woke up with a good hand and smoked me then chatted "kaboom" got in my head and loosened up my play bigtime.

If it can't hurt, it can't hurt [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

i dunno the only things i do is just randomly type weird stuff

yvesaint says "MURDER"
yvesaint says "EXTREME CLEAN"
yvesaint says "SHUT UP"

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

After sucking out sometimes I type "Ship it"

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I got out played by an ok lag at 6max when I folded JJ to villain's river push after the board double paired 9 3 3-blank-9 when he quickly says "Don't worry, I'll show" I sat there and let time run down thinking to myself "he would only say that if he was bluffing" but I still folded because I'm weak-tight. If I recall he had no pair and I think just a backdoor flush draw. We were both semi deep (150BB+) and I was in LP and he was the big blind. Blah

KoW

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...Before pushing, simply go "hmm...no way you have that ace" and toss em in. Theres a surprisingly large number of weak players (maybe not surprising, actually) that will pay off. Perhaps they'd have paid off without the chat, but I really think that it is +ev in some cases.

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Back when I was learning 25NL, I was in a hand, contemplating calling all-in. I had a strong 2nd best hand. I called for TIME and the guy says, "Don't call, I'll show." Immediately after that he types, "...or call..." I had no idea what he wanted me to do. I was confused and made a bad call.

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

One thing I have found useful is to make out you are on tilt after taking a bad beat.

Ranting and raving convinces others that you have really lost your cool and will do anything to get your money back.

You'll be suprised how you will get called down because they think you are playing "any 2 cards".

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I am a huge fan as well of using chat in online poker. Everyone always says that some of the best live games are ones where everyone is friendly, chatting it up, and having a good time. I believe the same thing is true with online poker. Some of the best tables that I have ever sat at have been the ones with numerous people chatting (myself included). Try to get a few people at your table talking for a while about non-poker related things, and guaranteed you will see the VP%IP go up a bit [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I never say anything rude, or insult any other players, but do enjoy trying to spit off random "jibrish" about my hands, etc. If people think they've got a read off of my jibrish, great for them, but I can assure you, they dont.

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

sounds like a good advice.

I usually sticks to nh (only to straightflushes and quads [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) and ty though.

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

I always confirm what my opponents say. If they think I bluffed them out, or they ask, I just nod (if live) or type yes(even if I had a big made hand), but I never show unless they pay. This usually gets them eager to play another big pot with me, and they typically have very meager holdings when they do.

Re: use chat to outplay your opponents? (lc)
 

Hmmm, several thoughts.

First, the chat that used to really get in my head was someone talking smack after laying a bad beat on me with cards that should have been mucked preflop without a second thought. I have progressed to where that doesn't get me anymore. Time has shown that it all comes back around if you're patient.

To me the most annoying is/are the table coach(es) who criticize hand selection and betting all the while playing every hand to the river and not because they're getting good cards.

All that said, sometimes I'm flat out tempted to turn the chat off, but I don't - you can learn a lot about people by paying attention to their chat. Especially the windbags. Is there anything more fun than someone who thinks they're good, but they aren't?

You can get little clues from people's chat, from their screen name, and at Full Tilt from the Avatar they choose. Let's face it. At the low levels there are only a few basic styles. All of these things can help you start to classify your opponent.

As far as bluffing with your chat ... I don't see it. Admittedly I play at micro level where efforts to be clever are generally wasted. I've seen people try it. Usually it's painfully obvious from the start.

Honestly, even if someone does have a good act going, I've never found myself tempted to change up my play and go out on a limb solely because of a read I've gotten off of their chat. It may start me thinking along a certain line, but I'll wait and see what their play shows - again, at my level that doesn't take very long.

Finally, the Cardinal Sin of chat - when it's your turn to play, play first, then chat. One of the big advantages of online play is the number of hands you can get in. No one likes waiting on someone to play because they're too busy typing.

Taunting works....
 

Let's be honest... taunting certain players has rewards. Its usually the out-and-out idiots who have their ego wrapped in their play who can be pushed to tilt.

When someone makes a horrific river bluff when I've showed strength the entire hand and I take their money, I almost always type, "Nice Bet" or "Good Play." I've had numerous occasions where this player will now play every single hand I'm in trying to get their revenge. But, I'm still playing tight... so, the net effect is I'll usually be playing a hand with better cards then them, they have an unhealthy psychological reason for playing the hand and they're over-eager to get me involved in a big pot... this makes them much easier to read and play against.

And... on a similar note; people who curse you when you win a hand; I always immediately engage them. I look up what hand they had when they lost and laugh at it. Most of the time, I'm silent and I wouldn't be saying anything to this player... but when they curse me for winning a hand, I immediately and happily return fire; NOT because I'm angry (usually I laugh; after all, I just won and pot and they're insulting a complete stranger because they've misplayed their hand... that is funny) but because I want to feed their anger and encourage tilt. Again... from this point on, this player calls your every raise with any 2 cards hoping to bust you.

Its all part of the game.