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We had 8 players who wanted to start a 4/8 mixed game on sunday night and there were dealers sitting around saying they would deal it, like 10 open tables, but the floors wouldn't start us a game as they said they don't spread a mixed game lower than 40/80 by policy. Such a freaking joke. Mason even tried pulling some strings to no avail. He did say if the head guy was there he would understand and spread the game, but the peons don't understand the situation well enough to allow it. Missing out on a table full of rake and lots of generous tipping. Good call morons.

So frustrating.

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This was basically the impression of the management of the room that I got from being there. My impression of the Wynn floor is that they would've handled this differently.

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you can bet your ass the dealers have heard about low limit 2+2 mixed games, and were drooling over the opportunity

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We had 8 players who wanted to start a 4/8 mixed game on sunday night and there were dealers sitting around saying they would deal it, like 10 open tables, but the floors wouldn't start us a game as they said they don't spread a mixed game lower than 40/80 by policy. Such a freaking joke. Mason even tried pulling some strings to no avail. He did say if the head guy was there he would understand and spread the game, but the peons don't understand the situation well enough to allow it. Missing out on a table full of rake and lots of generous tipping. Good call morons.

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Sounds typical of the Bellagio. Best games, horrible floor management. Did you take the game to the Wynn instead?

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I have never had a good experience with the floor at Bellagio.
Doesn't surprise me.

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Here is a little tip---
Head over to the Aladdin--
MIXED GAME---ok they will spead it
5/10 game for you east coast players --THEY WILL SPREAD IT
RAZZ---hey LETS GO they will spread it---

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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"Missing out on a table full of rake and lots of generous tipping."

Last 2+2 magoo-fest at the Bike, I win a pot with A-K unimproved to Josh W.'s A-Q. I tip about half the profit and Josh matches my tip. Dealer looks at him funny and he says, "I had a good hand too. A-Q suited."

Frustrating and a shame.

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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That is hilarious. Who does shant think he is trying to gamble in casino? That is definitely a no no!

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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That is hilarious. Who does shant think he is trying to gamble in casino? That is definitely a no no!

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Sometimes the person telling you not to gamble is not who you'd expect. There are times when you should not gamble, such as when you're under 21 or had too much to drink... when you're lonely or depressed

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I think the actual reason was really that he was upsetting the tilted local who was offended because jason_t existed or something.

The Bellagio spend most of Saturday chasing us off the rail, whereas the Wynn allowed us to carry on a game that featured literal stealing of pots, my chipstack getting kicked over, and other acts that would have made the night floor at the Bellagio cry.

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We had 8 players who wanted to start a 4/8 mixed game on sunday night and there were dealers sitting around saying they would deal it, like 10 open tables, but the floors wouldn't start us a game as they said they don't spread a mixed game lower than 40/80 by policy. Such a freaking joke. Mason even tried pulling some strings to no avail. He did say if the head guy was there he would understand and spread the game, but the peons don't understand the situation well enough to allow it. Missing out on a table full of rake and lots of generous tipping. Good call morons.

So frustrating.

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Sounds typical of the Bellagio. Best games, horrible floor management. Did you take the game to the Wynn instead?

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if this same group hadn't gotten carded the previous night and had one or two go "get" IDs...yes, we would have. That was the issue.

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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To be fair, I was sidebetting against a dealer on the color of flops in the 30/60 at Bellagio for awhile, and with other players whenever I could, nobody had a problem with it. The mistake Shant, Jason, etc made was in trying to do so at 4/8, where the floorpeople feel the need to protect the regulars from anything uncomfortable.

But BK's original point about them not spreading the 4/8 for us stands as ridiculous. They claim they won't spread a different limit of the same game because it might hurt the regular game - I'm sure our 4/8 mixed was going to cause the 40/80 to break [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Can we all just agree that drunken BK trying to bribe floorpeople to allow this and then getting the Mason to help was awesome? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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I think the other difference was you were sitting in the game and not standing next to the table with a fan of one dollar bills.

F THE BELLAGIO. LONG LIVE THE WYNN.

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come to Ct for the WPF and u can start a 2-4 hoset or hose or hoe if u really want

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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That is hilarious. Who does shant think he is trying to gamble in casino? That is definitely a no no!

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Sometimes the person telling you not to gamble is not who you'd expect. There are times when you should not gamble, such as when you're under 21 or had too much to drink... when you're lonely or depressed

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lol

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This is why I love playing at Wynn, they spread anything, anytime, any handed. They understand if it gets going, they will get a full rake going and can start with low/no rake and new games. It makes no sense to be paying a dealer minimum wage and have him sitting around while there are empty tables in a room and players looking to play. All you had to do was go to Wynn and they woulda hooked you up. Especially if Kathleen was there.

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Here is the difference between the Wynn and the Bellagio:

Bell=threw out Shant for placing side bets on the color of the flop.

Wynn=allowed the same bets and took side action.

The Bellagio seems determined to have a stick up their ass.

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Yet everyone still goes to Bellagio. Come on people, we need to work together to get all Bellagio regulars to come to Wynn on the same day.

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Especially if Kathleen was there.

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Is she that floor manager there? Glasses? Around 40? If so, I thought she was definitely cool. Even one of the chip runners (Benjamin) said she was really cool.

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Especially if Kathleen was there.

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Is she that floor manager there? Glasses? Around 40? If so, I thought she was definitely cool. Even one of the chip runners (Benjamin) said she was really cool.

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No, the person you are referring to is the big dick while I believe Kathleen is 2nd big dick. And for the idiots out there, I mean in charge when I say big dick. Can anyone confirm this or are they both the cardroom managers or what?

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Especially if Kathleen was there.

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Is she that floor manager there? Glasses? Around 40? If so, I thought she was definitely cool. Even one of the chip runners (Benjamin) said she was really cool.

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No, the person you are referring to is the big dick while I believe Kathleen is 2nd big dick. And for the idiots out there, I mean in charge when I say big dick. Can anyone confirm this or are they both the cardroom managers or what?

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Then her name was Catherine. She was standing there while the waitress brought me drink after drink and I wasn't even playing. Like I said, very cool.

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Especially if Kathleen was there.

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Is she that floor manager there? Glasses? Around 40? If so, I thought she was definitely cool. Even one of the chip runners (Benjamin) said she was really cool.

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No, the person you are referring to is the big dick while I believe Kathleen is 2nd big dick. And for the idiots out there, I mean in charge when I say big dick. Can anyone confirm this or are they both the cardroom managers or what?

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Then her name was Catherine. She was standing there while the waitress brought me drink after drink and I wasn't even playing. Like I said, very cool.

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Yes Catherine is big dick. She is cool also I guess, but not on the same level as Kathleen.

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Kathleen is awesome. Also, we most deifnietly do NOT need to get many bellagio regulars at the Wynn. Many of the bellagio regulars are grumpy nitty or angle shooters. I dislike them.

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My first reaction to this post was, damn Bike, 400/800 mixed? That's a big game.

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My first reaction to this post was, damn Bike, 400/800 mixed? That's a big game.

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it was running already

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"Missing out on a table full of rake and lots of generous tipping."

Last 2+2 magoo-fest at the Bike, I win a pot with A-K unimproved to Josh W.'s A-Q. I tip about half the profit and Josh matches my tip. Dealer looks at him funny and he says, "I had a good hand too. A-Q suited."

Frustrating and a shame.

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One other magoo fest at commerce w/ sucker, elD, glen, sooga, clarknasty, dynomeister, and NPA (sorry if I'm forgetting anybody...gabe maybe...oh, and mike l). Well, afterwards, we are rehashing it here (duh!), and we were all saying how much we won/lost. We then realized how much the rake was. Somebody (ulysses?) says "yeah, it didn't help that josh tipped a pot to the dealer".

I never thought I'd stoop that low again.

Fastforward to last monday (I think...maybe tuesday), at Hawaiian Gardens, playing 8-16 w/ very good friend and his ex girlfriend. She in on my left, openraises UTG (which is the same as "raises UTG"), all fold to me. I have Q3o, flop 843, turn Q, river Q, she has AA, and got checkraised 3 times.

Many of the bets are still stacked up, so I clump a lot of them together and gave them to the dealer...maybe $50 or so.

Yikes.

Josh

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I think the actual reason was really that he was upsetting the tilted local who was offended because jason_t existed or something.


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He probably deserved it, damn pretty boy [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I was in that game, and Gabe made that comment. I will punish you by being down in your neck of the woods this weekend.

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I have a really stupid question to ask you, but can't ask it here. Remind me when I see you.

And, oh yeah, I'm broke. I can't play anything bigger than 40-80, so you'll have to beat the 300-600 by yourself.

J

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"oh yeah, I'm broke."

Watching a movie called Twilight last night. Paul Newman is an ex-cop, ex private eye, kind of semi-retired, living at the lavish home of Hollywood stars, played by Gene Hackman and Susan Sarandon.

Sarandon says to Newman, "We're broke."

Newman responds, "No, you're overextended. Some day I'll explain the difference to you."

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"I will punish you by being down in your neck of the woods this weekend."

Bring it on, Sucker. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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The irony of course is that I'm multitabling 100-200 as I write this. I just need to stop playing this big when my heads not in the game, so I tell myself I'm broke. I was hoping that publicly announcing it would help, but nope. My ego got in the way.

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"The irony of course is that I'm multitabling 100-200 as I write this."

The defense rests. Literally. Good night.

Regards,
Andy

P.S.: Hope to see you Sunday.

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Hi Bike:

In fairness to The Bellagio management, they need to establish rules which are long term good for the cardroom. That's what happened here in the sense that they would not spread this game at the limit that you were asking for.

The brush on duty did not have the authority to override these instructions. Thus from his point of view he was only doing his job as he was suppose to. I do agree however that if Doug Dalton, who is in charge of all poker at The Bellagio, would have been there at that time, he would have understood that your situation was an exception to the general rule and your game would have been spread.

Best wishes,
Mason

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hi BK, i agree with mason that its reasonable for the bellagio to deny spreading this game. they think its a good long term strategy not to spread low limit mixed games which is probably accurate and if they spread the 4/8 mixed game for you they are going to have to spread it for everybody once they find out they did it once.

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not that this is directly related to the post, but i must thank the 2+2 crew for putting all the Bellagio regulars on long-term tilt after the magoofest weekend. i am still here and getting absolutely no respect at 30/60 from a number of them who see me as 'one of the kids that raises preflop all the f'n time' to quote one [censored] correctly. i'm sure i owe many of you a drink, stheif in particular...

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This was basically the impression of the management of the room that I got from being there. My impression of the Wynn floor is that they would've handled this differently.

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The Wynn was the shite. Although I was there twice I don't remember leaving either time. "Donkeys always draw, I am berating the fish because I am drunk and leaving soon"

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"one of the kids that raises preflop all the f'n time'"

Well, I'm hardly a kid, and I don't play a lot of hands, but one of the Bellagio regulars once said to me, "You know, you can limp, sir, it's not against the rules."

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I have never had a good experience with the floor at Bellagio.
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Of course not...the floor there is way too small. The back of your chair is constantly getting bumped from people walking through the narrow aisles cause they have so many damn tables in there. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The reasons that I, and many locals of las vegas rarely play at bellagio are as follows...

1. Their daisy-chained triple+ must-move game system sucks majorly, particularly for 2-5 no limit. What every happend to "must move for the first hour?" I tell you what, that final game in the chain almost always SUCKS and I've never stayed in it for more than about 15 minutes.

2. their structure for 2-5 no limit sucks

3. there is a long to very long wait much of the time, particularly during the best times to play cards, like weekends and swing shift

4. (and this is the big one folks) their staff is often times not very friendly at all, and it's quite obvious that since they don't need your business, they're not going to bend over backwards very far for you (unless maybe you're one of their cronies who grease the right wheels). This is not only my personal experience, but the sentiment of many of my poker friends and acquaintances. Whether this is an "absolute truth" or not is debatable, but it's certainly a common perception amongst frequent vegas card players.

5. Unless you're looking for upper middle to high limit play, there are other places where you can get the same limits, equal or better games, be treated well, and not have to wait long.

To elaborate on number 5...

I play 1-3 or 2-5 no limit at wynn a lot. Despite wynn's problems, it's a pretty good room for these games, particularly if you are game selective. Wynn has also has 10-20 mixed games going a lot lately. 15-30 holdem is often available, as is 8-16 (but wynn uses $2 chips, which is a great idea that bellagio still hasn't wised up to).

Why any low limit player would go to bellagio is beyond me. Every room in town has tons of low limit games; 2-4, 3-6, 4-8 and baby no limit are everywhere.

No limit at MGM is almost always fish city, especially if you are willing to scout your game, getting a transfer is no problem, and there's rarely a long wait, even on weekends. MGM is spreading 5-5 no limit more and more these days as well. Limit hold'em games there rarely go higher than 4-8 tho*, but they get 6-12 and 10-20 going sometimes. The staff at MGM has always been great, particularly the swing shift management.

Mirage seems to still have the 10-20, 20-40 and 40-80 markets mostly cornered. I have a few friends who swear by their middle limit hold'em games. Now like the B, Mirage is sometimes very busy, with long waits. The primary difference between mirage and bellagio is that I've always LIKED the mirage, and almost every time I go to bellagio I remember exactly why I DON'T go to bellagio.

al

*I believe this is because they have too many small limit games that are too close together in stakes. In particular, there's little chance of starting a 6-12 game if there are two 4-8 half kill and a bunch of 3-6 games running.