Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

4 handed I just sat 5 hands ago or so, haven't played any pots really

I utg open pot with JJ($5000), David Grey (covers) calls, SB folds, BB ($2500) calls

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 550)
BB checks, I bet 335, David Grey min raises to 670, BB folds, I call

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1890)
I check, David Grey Bets 1890, I c/r allin (he has to call 2100 more if he calls)
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fold fold, Hero opens sb for pot with 99, David Grey calls
8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 300)
I lead 150 he calls

8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 600)
I check call 275

8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1100)
I check call 1100

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

i dont know this guy but i dont like calling the flop, id probably reraise or fold, unless he gives up on the turn after trying to bluff steal a flop.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

what do you reraise to and what are your plans if he calls? he could easily call with like 76 or 77-TT on flop right?

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I hate how u played the JJ hand, mainly because its david grey. I would consider folding the miniraisee and would definitely fold to the turn bet. He's about as str8forward as it gets, when u get action your usually not gonna like it

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

oh and 2nd hand i'm pretty sure ur beat was this on full tilt?

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

noob question: can we take any info from the fact that DG bet full pot on the turn in hand 1 instead of betting 1/2 or 2/3 pot (or a-i), or does everybody just pot bet here?

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4 handed I just sat 5 hands ago or so, haven't played any pots really

I utg open pot with JJ($5000), David Grey (covers) calls, SB folds, BB ($2500) calls

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 550)
BB checks, I bet 335, David Grey min raises to 670, BB folds, I call

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1890)
I check, David Grey Bets 1890, I c/r allin (he has to call 2100 more if he calls)

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Wow, DGrey cold-calls pfr, raises flop, pots turn and you think JJ is good? Hope it worked out for you, he's pretty damn ABC poker player.

What do you think he had when you c/r turn?

Naj

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4 handed I just sat 5 hands ago or so, haven't played any pots really

I utg open pot with JJ($5000), David Grey (covers) calls, SB folds, BB ($2500) calls

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 550)
BB checks, I bet 335, David Grey min raises to 670, BB folds, I call

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1890)
I check, David Grey Bets 1890, I c/r allin (he has to call 2100 more if he calls)

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Wow, DGrey cold-calls pfr, raises flop, pots turn and you think JJ is good? Hope it worked out for you, he's pretty damn ABC poker player.

What do you think he had when you c/r turn?

Naj

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My question is this: can DG call with an overpair there? What else could he have that can call there from everyone's description (well, 55; 66 seems a little out of character on the flop, but is possible I suppose). (Can he cold call preflop with A4/34/45s? If so, this is a very dangerous spot, if not, it all comes down to what he will call an unknown(?) with here.)

Edit: just to be clear, you are trying to represent 44/55/66 here ZEEbo and push him off of QQ-AA?

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4 handed I just sat 5 hands ago or so, haven't played any pots really

I utg open pot with JJ($5000), David Grey (covers) calls, SB folds, BB ($2500) calls

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 550)
BB checks, I bet 335, David Grey min raises to 670, BB folds, I call

4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1890)
I check, David Grey Bets 1890, I c/r allin (he has to call 2100 more if he calls)

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Key points - pots the turn, min raises the flop. If your CR all in is shutting him down, I only see it shutting down 67. To minraise with 67, then pot the turn when you pick up a pair doesn't seem like world class play...... soooooo

he is calling with AA-QQ. No?

Why the push? Do you think he was f'ing around? Is he going to muck QQ? Might repop you PF with QQ, might not, I really have no idea.


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fold fold, Hero opens sb for pot with 99, David Grey calls
8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 300)
I lead 150 he calls

8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 600)
I check call 275

8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (pot 1100)
I check call 1100

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Well at least you get to see what he had [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I think this hand evolved from your
- SB open + follow through
- check call on the turn + King/overcard on the river........


check calling with the king is easy, but check calling with 99 requires something that is not present in OP.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

No way is he folding QQ-AA.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

Najdorf and Smiley -

Have you observed David Grey's play in cash games? How many hours have you watched him play exclusively cash?


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Ok, that's what I thought.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

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No way is he folding QQ-AA.

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and prob folding everything <TT

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

observed AZK LOL

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

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If anyone plays by the book, David Grey does. He plays with good starting hands and generally plays them to the river.

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This is from a
good source.

So I think it's an ok assumption that he plays solid and ABC.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

That is how he plays relative to the rest of the players who play in those games.

I've played with him live and found that he was not as "straightforward" as we have been lead to believe through TV and other pros comments.

How he plays against some unknown donk on the internet is probably also different.

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Have you observed David Grey's play in cash games?

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Looks like someone's been taking notes from the rail.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

Hand 1 sucks, you aren't bluffing any better hands and you are going to be behind almost everytime you get called.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

sorry by observe I imply watched extensively from the rail and/or played with. I already got several nice PMs from John Smiley challenging me to 50/100 HU duels because I was being "a dick". You want to join the party?

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

I would but I only play limit.

Re: Two hands vs David Grey 25/50 nl
 

Hand 1 was for value....do all of you guys just muck AA on the turn then? My logic was why would he bet full pot with a lock of a hand, wouldn't 2/3~3/4 pot followed by 2/3 pot ~ about allin be more optimal or something like that.

Hand 2: my thinking was flop "call any draw any T probably repops up an 8 might slowplay TTT or T8 not sure" turn 8 he underbets this bet looks like please lay down any hand that isn't a pair, river: this looks like please fold or I have KT

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but check calling with 99 requires something that is not present in OP

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Hope it worked out for you, he's pretty damn ABC poker player.

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Just curious, is this based on your play against him or based on reading on Barry G or whoever's site that DG is ABC?

If it is based on you playing him, have you played him on FT?

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I hate how u played the JJ hand, mainly because its david grey. I would consider folding the miniraisee and would definitely fold to the turn bet. He's about as str8forward as it gets, when u get action your usually not gonna like it

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As I asked the other guy. Have you played DG? Have you played him on FT?

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If anyone plays by the book, David Grey does. He plays with good starting hands and generally plays them to the river.

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This is from a
good source.

So I think it's an ok assumption that he plays solid and ABC.

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As lapoker said, and i asked in my q's to the other posters, how a pro plays in a 4k/8k game and how he plays on FT is often very, very different.

For example, many of you guys would have a very different opinion of Phil Ivey if you based your image of him on how he plays 50/100NL on FT.

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thx for mentioning the 50/100 party at full tilt azk. Unfortunately only one player showed. Spirit rock left broke. Fuc.k off ur a terrible moderator