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Olback 11-08-2005 03:15 AM

$22 Q,Q early on
 
What do i do here?

If there was 1 ace on the board, i would most likely check/fold. But with 2 can i put one of them on an ace?

#Game No : 3000678625
***** Hand History for Game 3000678625 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:17232060 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Tuesday, November 08, 00:35:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 67242 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: SEVENS774 ( $1200 )
Seat 6: Carter05 ( $725 )
Seat 8: gerald1350 ( $420 )
Seat 10: w4716 ( $715 )
Seat 9: epp82883 ( $685 )
Seat 1: Olback17 ( $755 )
Seat 3: lvstrg ( $730 )
Seat 5: bull50 ( $1225 )
Seat 7: Poppy34 ( $710 )
Seat 2: Sstephano20 ( $835 )
Trny:17232060 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Olback17 [ Qh Qd ]
gerald1350 folds.
epp82883 folds.
w4716 calls [30].
>You have options at Table 67726 Table!.
>You have options at Table 67848 Table!.
Olback17 raises [120].
>You have options at Table 67461 Table!.
Sstephano20 folds.
lvstrg folds.
SEVENS774 calls [120].
>You have options at Table 67461 Table!.
bull50 folds.
Carter05 folds.
Poppy34 folds.
>You have options at Table 67848 Table!.
>You have options at Table 67461 Table!.
w4716 calls [90].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Ah, Ad ]
w4716 checks.

Olback 17?

11-08-2005 03:16 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
Cont bet 1/2 pot

bluef0x 11-08-2005 03:18 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
[ QUOTE ]
Cont bet 1/2 pot

[/ QUOTE ]

Olback 11-08-2005 03:24 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
And then give it up on the turn if he called?

11-08-2005 03:27 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
He would usualy only call the cont bet with an Ace. So yeah, give up.

Nick M 11-08-2005 03:32 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
I always ask this of myself and others when they have a hand like this and a flop like this.

If you had an ace would you bet it???? Nope. So why bet here? You have 2 opponents. I think the chance of one of them not having ace is slim. If you bet, it doesn't look like an ace. Then what do you do when you bet and someone doesn't believe you with they're 9s and pushes over you? I am not saying check fold, but I think checking here is a good idea. If no one has an ace then there is only 3 cards in the deck that hurts you, maybe 2 if they both hold a king.

This is not as simple as most people think. If you had one opponent it would be a lot easier.

tigerite 11-08-2005 05:40 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
If I had an Ace, I would bet it

HesseJam 11-08-2005 05:54 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
[ QUOTE ]
If I had an Ace, I would bet it

[/ QUOTE ]

... and if called I would check the turn. Makes for a good amount of Shania.

tigerite 11-08-2005 05:59 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
Shush [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Doc 11-08-2005 10:46 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
How about a probe type bet of 1/4 - 1/3 of the pot, try to represent an A building a pot? Do TAG's come over the top in that situation or is the threat that I have an A enough to keep them in line?

Doc

Hornacek 11-08-2005 10:55 AM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
[ QUOTE ]
How about a probe type bet of 1/4 - 1/3 of the pot, try to represent an A building a pot? Do TAG's come over the top in that situation or is the threat that I have an A enough to keep them in line?

Doc

[/ QUOTE ]

No way I cont bet half the pot 3-way. You're likely losing to an ace. I bet maybe 1/4-1/3 of the pot. Only an ace is calling that scary board. Could either lead to a reraise (immediate fold) or a free river.

Nick M 11-08-2005 02:24 PM

Re: $22 Q,Q early on
 
ahahha why? there is no draw on the table, and you most likely have the table drawing to runner runner, or a 2 outer. Please don't say that you don't want them to hit their 22 to 1 outer on the turn, so you bet half the pot.


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