First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

I just started playing 5/10 and I have been running horrifically. But I also think that some bad play has creeped into my game (or it was always there perhaps). Here was one hand that I think may have been pretty bad. Please let me know.

CO is pretty tight/passive. SB is quite LAG.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($781.50)
MP ($1549.74)
CO ($903.80)
TWP ($1000)
SB ($1922)
BB ($2433.50)

Preflop: TWP is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, CO calls $10, TWP calls $10, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($40) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](4 players)
SB bets $30, BB folds, CO calls $30, TWP raises to $200, SB folds, CO calls $170.

Turn: ($470) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, TWP bets $300, CO pushes, TWP...?

Call or fold? And how bad was my flop raise?

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

I've only dipped my feet in the 1k deep waters, but

I'd raise preflop to isolate the tight passive limper and hopefuly shut out the blinds, you don't want other aggressive players in the pot when you're hitting on the weak.

Flop raise looks fine.

Turn, it's always nasty when tight passives wake up like this but i still think you have to call here, it could easily be a weaker flush or kings with a good kicker. I don't know what kind of hand a TP would limp here that's made a full house.

Hope it worked out.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

I think there's a decent chance he's on the flush and I call. If I'm wrong, I spike the J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and win anyway [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

raise pre
flop raise too big
fold turn

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

What hand would you limp on the button with that holds a king?

I don't like semi-bluffing on a paired flop in an unraised pot.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

what's up with your flop raise? listen to allinlife he knows the deal. unfortunately due to your weird flop raise you're almost committed but CO has KQ. maybe he has KT but i think he usually has KQ. fold. also dont be so pot committed next time. and you know how flushes sometimes suck on paired boards? yeah this is one of those boards.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

Why raise the flop here ?
One of these bozos almost certainly has a K, and he aint folding. Thus there is no point in semi-bluffing in this spot (I dont think there is in any case).

As it stands, CO probably doesnt have a flush, so he has a full house, thus you should probably fold, if you can find the courage. I find that I sometimes think "surely THIS time he will be bluffing". But usually Im wrong.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

I agree with all three.
I cant imagine TWP raising with crap like A4s.. I certainly would though.

Best wishes

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

I called. He had K6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I still played the hand like [censored], though. Thanks.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

hate flop...

What is the idea to raise with A4s preflop ?
 

for thoses who argue to raise with A4s preflop, what is the plan ?
to win a lot of minipots and let the hand down when you encounter some resistance in a XYA flop ? we can't play hard the ace with such a bad kicker.
So I see the idea to play our 11% of flush draw + bet unraised pot + 2% 2 pairs. Is there a lack in my point of view ?

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

i would consider calling (you are getting nice odds) IF a king or maybe queen high flush was possible. as the board is, the highest flush the villian could have is 9 high, and playing it that way with that weak draw is unlikely. clearly there is a chance he isnt getting away from his king, but if you add to that the possibility that he could have a king or queen high flush as well, it might be enough for a call.

Re: What is the idea to raise with A4s preflop ?
 

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for thoses who argue to raise with A4s preflop, what is the plan ?
to win a lot of minipots and let the hand down when you encounter some resistance in a XYA flop ? we can't play hard the ace with such a bad kicker.
So I see the idea to play our 11% of flush draw + bet unraised pot + 2% 2 pairs. Is there a lack in my point of view ?

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Yeah, your opponents don't know that you have a bad kicker, so it doesn't matter a lot of the time.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

A little read here would be great. I can't decide.

He opened limped the CO that is usually the pretty looking cards of 97s 98s 78s 67s 68s K9s K8s K7s. You say he is tight passive but what are his exact stats? A little read of if he's a basic player or good player would go a long way here. Only hands you fear are KQ KT J9s, seems likely KQ should be discounted a lot given the open limp. But all the hands you beat have to be somewhat discounted because they all played hpyer-aggro and you say he is passive.

I think i would call.

preflop and flop are bad.

Re: First post at 5/10 - nut flush draw on paired board
 

He's like 22/5/.75 or something like that but only over 100 hands so I didn't really rely on that TOO much. He kinda sucked in general but mostly by not protecting his hand and not doing even basic hand reading, etc. I mean in this hand you can see that he flat calls open trips weak kicker on a flush draw board and then check/raises all-in when the flush hits. So obviously he's not that great. But I didn't have that detailed of a read before this hand. I agree that preflop and flop were not good.