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Wayfare 11-07-2005 02:59 PM

People getting tazed
 
What do you guys think?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...13&q=tazer

At 3:00 into the video.
Justified use of force?



Notice how the cops stand over her shooting the [censored] as she is wailing.

TheMainEvent 11-07-2005 03:04 PM

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This is probably about the only police brutality video where I have no sympathy for the victim.

imported_anacardo 11-07-2005 03:09 PM

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That's pretty [censored] up. She's pretty stupid, but I can't see how that's called for.

Freakin 11-07-2005 03:11 PM

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Is this the chick who gets stopped for traffic and tasered twice, all while on her cell phone?

If so, then this is a repost...

Wayfare 11-07-2005 03:13 PM

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Sorry for the repeat. I am not up to date on all OOT postings.

trying2learn 11-07-2005 03:13 PM

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this has been posted three times i believe....it still rules. this is NOT brutality.

Freakin 11-07-2005 03:14 PM

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http://espn.go.com/media/other/2005/...atfish_458.jpg

RustedCorpse 11-07-2005 03:17 PM

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They're not shooting her more, they're wrapping up the wires. As far as justified I'm sure it's going to be ruled as unjustified, but by the book if she did bat him away or something while he went to grab the phone it is assault.

I'd like to point out that she's a bit melodramatic, I've been hit with a riot tazer, and if that tazer was really that powerful her ass would be a)unconcious b) drooling on the ground. Either way she's a whiny person with quite a bit of attitude.

Its not going to be ruled as justified since they'll say that two large men should have been able to pull her out of the car without tazering.

Personally I'm of the opinon that if a cop tells you to step out of the car you probably should do it. Especially when he's clearly stated why he's arresting you. Plus she was given tons of warnings. She basically had an attitude of "I'm right and he's can't do crap to me"

Wayfare 11-07-2005 03:21 PM

Re: People getting tazed
 
I think if a cop gives you an order and tells you that if you dont comply you will be tazed, you shouldn't be surprised if you get tazed.

There is, as there should be, a price to being a "badass"

imported_The Vibesman 11-07-2005 03:23 PM

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I think if a cop gives you an order and tells you that if you dont comply you will be tazed, you shouldn't be surprised if you get tazed.

There is, as there should be, a price to being a "badass"

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I have long hair and a beard. If I pulled this, I would be happy to come out of it only "tazed." I know guys who have had cops blow out their knees with a flashlight for less.

Mars357 11-07-2005 03:53 PM

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Justified...

I also love the people who complain about their loved ones being shot/killed by the police while flashing a knife or gun at them.

There is a case in Austin right now where some dumb ass drug dealer was shot and killed while fighting with female officer. Now, his entire neighborhood is crying racism and basically looking for the officers head on a platter.

If you fight with the police, bad shlt could happen to you... deal with it!

Apathy 11-07-2005 04:23 PM

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When keeping it real goes wrong.



Im also super curious how funny it would have been to be on the other line of that call.

Sabrazack 11-07-2005 04:42 PM

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This has to be the most stupid cocky bitch on the face of earth. I laughed so hard when she was on the ground screaming.

Randy_Refeld 11-07-2005 05:19 PM

Re: People getting tazed
 
I remeber that video. I am normally a law and order guy, but I think this is an excessive use of force. The officer was in no danger. All the comments I have read about the woman seem accurate, but I don't think wasting the officers time is a reason to use force.

miajag81 11-07-2005 05:23 PM

Re: People getting tazed
 
She got what she had coming.

AngryCola 11-07-2005 05:24 PM

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I don't think wasting the officers time is a reason to use force.

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trying2learn 11-07-2005 05:26 PM

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I don't think wasting the officers time is a reason to use force.

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how many times should he have repeated, "if you don't get out of the car I'm going to taze you!" before doing it?!

six, ten, fifteen?

BottlesOf 11-07-2005 05:28 PM

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I've been hit with a riot tazer

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Standard.

AngryCola 11-07-2005 05:31 PM

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how many times should he have repeated, "if you don't get out of the car I'm going to taze you!" before doing it?!

six, ten, fifteen?

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trying2learn 11-07-2005 05:33 PM

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by that standard - it was surely abusive then.

Rduke55 11-07-2005 05:36 PM

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I think if a cop gives you an order and tells you that if you dont comply you will be tazed, you shouldn't be surprised if you get tazed.

There is, as there should be, a price to being a "badass"

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This is a great point.
People really need to listen to cop's directions more. You will never win.

Randy_Refeld 11-07-2005 05:37 PM

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I don't think wasting the officers time is a reason to use force.

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how many times should he have repeated, "if you don't get out of the car I'm going to taze you!" before doing it?!

six, ten, fifteen?

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If he is unable to get her out of the car with out using a weapon he should call for backup. I am thinking if he fealt no danger he shoudl not be using a weapon. If he fealt danger he should be calling for back up and waiting for them to arrive.

peachy 11-07-2005 06:53 PM

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to me...this was UNJUSTIFIED b/c all he told her was get out of the car...he did not say im placing u under arrest before that statement nor did he inform her that her lisence was suspended...this cop had a bit of an authority complex and didnt have a problem applying it

i LOVE when they pull u over for no reason and then say ooo well it was for this and this and this - thingsy they COULDNT see before they pulled her over like a crack in the window, etc.

He should have explained things to her...not demanded she get out for NO reason and taze her!!! come on now!

chesspain 11-07-2005 06:58 PM

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This is probably about the only police brutality video where I have no sympathy for the victim.

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RustedCorpse 11-07-2005 07:00 PM

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to me...this was UNJUSTIFIED b/c all he told her was get out of the car...he did not say im placing u under arrest before that statement nor did he inform her that her lisence was suspended...this cop had a bit of an authority complex and didnt have a problem applying it

i LOVE when they pull u over for no reason and then say ooo well it was for this and this and this - thingsy they COULDNT see before they pulled her over like a crack in the window, etc.

He should have explained things to her...not demanded she get out for NO reason and taze her!!! come on now!

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He pulled her over for Speeding, once you get pulled ANYTHING additional they see they can cite you for. Further more he DOES say I'm placing you under arrest for: suspended license

As far as tazing her for "wasting his time" if she swatted him away from taking the phone as he implies at the end of the footage, I hate to say it but that is assault, and interfering with a police officer discharging his duty and he has a right to subdue you.

Yes I agree that two grown men should be able to get her out of the car another way. However, saying that now is easy, how does the police officer know that if had reached in that car she wasn't going to stab him in the eye or something with a pen/knife/the phone whatever.

And JBB, I got riot tazed and tear gased in Japan I was providing escort for some diplomats and part of riot control training means you get to have your weapons used on you so that you hesitate before employing them.

11-07-2005 07:08 PM

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this is the fnuniest thing I've ever seen, or its atleast close.

I've been riot tazed before as well, in the army, and it's uncomfortable at best, but nothing to whine like that about.

my girlfriend's dog started howling during the section where she was whining like a hungry poodle.

this is hilarious.

and if you think it's unjustified, it is most likely because you would act the same way around a cop...

I dont like them either, but acting like an [censored] is asking for it.

I love how she called racism on him for pulling her over for what was it... 4 different violations?

jaydub 11-07-2005 07:12 PM

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A better link is here

Has officer commentary and better quality.

And this is not police brutality.

Randy_Refeld 11-07-2005 07:12 PM

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As far as tazing her for "wasting his time" if she swatted him away from taking the phone as he implies at the end of the footage, I hate to say it but that is assault,

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1. An unlawful threat or attempt to do bodily injury to another.
2. The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening or attempting to injure another.


I don't think swatting someone away from your phone constitutes assault. I think assaulting someone implies being the aggressor. An assault did occur here, but it wasn't by her.

peachy 11-07-2005 07:15 PM

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He pulled her over for Speeding, once you get pulled ANYTHING additional they see they can cite you for. Further more he DOES say I'm placing you under arrest for: suspended license


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mine was lagging so i musta missed him saying it BEFORE he tazed her...but no what i was saying is i hate when they go i pulled u over for a damaged window etc etc AFTER they pull u over - LIKE they saw it to start with!

and swatting is NOT assult in this situation

im not saying she shouldnt have been arrested...but it could have been handled in ANOTHER fashion...some cops are on a power trip and dont think twice before using that force - if i saw her as a DANGEROUS person sure...but she didnt appear dangerous in this situation to me

BCPVP 11-07-2005 07:20 PM

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I love how she called racism on him for pulling her over for what was it... 4 different violations?

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That was the best. She was doing 51 in a 35! I think it's just a defensive mechanism some use. She might as well try, right? If it works, she gets off. If not she's in no worse shape.

RustedCorpse 11-07-2005 07:46 PM

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I don't think the cop is in anyway, shape, or form on a power trip, he's polite and asks serveral times.

And swatting a police officer IS assault she is attempting to do bodily harm, furthermore it's interfering with a police officer while he discharges his duties, which IS a misdemenor, in VA, NY,NC, and FL from what I know. I mean if swatting is "not" bodily harm (because yea it's not going to do a lot of physical damage) when do you classify something as bodily harm? I mean a tazer is like 2 seconds of pain, about as long lasting as a slap.


As far as "appearing dangerous" that strikes me as a naive statment. The most dangerous situations are often dangerous BECAUSE they don't appear that way. Furthermore I think someone who obviously has no respect for a police officer, who is driving on a suspended license and disregards several requests might actually hit the dangerous line. I mean how much more dangerous do you have to get before you're being shot at, or someone is trying to stab you?

I think if this officer was on a "power" trip, when she swats him away he would have pulled out the old PR-4 and gone to town on her skull. But maybe I'm wrong, good thing we have juries.

I have no doubt that when this goes to court or when it did it was ruled as unlawful use of force, I'm just stating my opinion.

swede123 11-07-2005 07:47 PM

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100% justified use of force. What a bitch.

Swede

FouTight 11-07-2005 07:59 PM

Re: People getting tazed
 
This is one of those rare, captivating videos that most nobody can't take a side on.

Seems like everybody is either in the "That cop was way out of line" camp or riding in the "That B*tch was crazy and deserved what she had comming" boat.

I feel that all she had to do was get out of the car, no excuse. She knows what a police officer is, and she knows what they do and she SHOULD know how to react to it. How would it ahve looked if the video showed 2 of them reaching in the car and grabbing her arms and yanking her out of the car? probably not a whole lot better.

BCPVP 11-07-2005 08:19 PM

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How would it ahve looked if the video showed 2 of them reaching in the car and grabbing her arms and yanking her out of the car? probably not a whole lot better.

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It could have left physical marks and even a brush could induce a sexual harrassment charge. This way, the cop gets an uncooperative subject out of the car safely and without exposing himself to much serious charges (imo at least; i'm not a lawyer). And she learns a lesson not to [censored] around when a cop with a tazer asks you 300,000 times to get out of the car.

jaydub 11-08-2005 10:31 AM

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How would it ahve looked if the video showed 2 of them reaching in the car and grabbing her arms and yanking her out of the car? probably not a whole lot better.

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It could have left physical marks and even a brush could induce a sexual harrassment charge. This way, the cop gets an uncooperative subject out of the car safely and without exposing himself to much serious charges (imo at least; i'm not a lawyer). And she learns a lesson not to [censored] around when a cop with a tazer asks you 300,000 times to get out of the car.

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Worse, as she was in control of the vehicle, she could have put it in drive and taken off. This puts the cop at a lot of risk to be dragged.


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