QJo, turn pickle
 

party 3/6, 6 handed

My image is probably very agressive and reckless, but really i'm not reckless.

I openraise QJo utg. sometimes I fold this, this time i raised. all fold, BB calls.

flop is Qxx two spades

BB leads, i raise, BB calls

turn is the 10 of spades

BB checks, i bet, BB raises, I???

I think the answer is pretty clear but I might be wrong.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

Depends a lot on if you have a spade or a read.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

i have no spade

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

Is one of the x an 8 or 9?

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

I would fold this UTG if my image was reckless and aggressive.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

fold. If you think you are gonna be bluff raised frequently when you bet this turn you are probably better off checking and calling a river bet despite the fact that if you are ahead he probably has a lot of outs to either a split or a win. The fact that he will bluff the river a ton or call with hands he wouldn't call with on the turn offsets this disadvantage.

That said, against almost all players i'm bet/folding.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

"i open raise QJo utg" think about that . . .

normally, absent a read, this is a fold for me, but it sounds like BB thinks you're full of it and has the Qs or some other trash w/ 1 spade. 3bet/fold. check through the river.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

C'mon folks. People are getting really lazy in the way they're posting hands. This is one of about ten hands I've read today that leave out important and even really basic info. Do you have a spade? What are the "xx" on the flop? What's your read on BB?

If you want (a) people to take the time to give you a thoughtful response, and (b) to get a response that's meaningful, then more information is needed.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

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Do you have a spade?

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Isn't it obvious I do not have a spade?

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What are the "xx" on the flop?

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Insignificant cards that I don't remember, that don't have anything to do with the hand. Hence, the x.

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What's your read on BB?


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I don't have one. I play 6-10 tables at once. Unless I notice someone unusual I simply assume they are a typical 3/6 idiot. If I think someone is out of line I normally note that in a post. But then again when people are out of line my decisions are often much easier.

So thanks for your (a) thoughtful and (b) meaningful response. Oh wait. None of the important and really basic info that you "require" is actually important at all. Please check all douches at the door.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

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I would fold this UTG if my image was reckless and aggressive.

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I do fold this UTG quite often. This time I raised. I doubt this is a big leak.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

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If you think you are gonna be bluff raised frequently when you bet this turn you are probably better off checking and calling a river bet despite the fact that if you are ahead he probably has a lot of outs to either a split or a win.

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the only reason i'd never consider checking here is because i get bluffraised on the turn so infrequently in 3/6 that I can't honestly say that I ever remember getting bluf raised on the turn period.

If this were 10/20 6max there would be a stronger argument for calling this down I think.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

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Do you have a spade?


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Isn't it obvious I do not have a spade?


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What are the "xx" on the flop?


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Insignificant cards that I don't remember, that don't have anything to do with the hand. Hence, the x.


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What's your read on BB?



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I don't have one. I play 6-10 tables at once. Unless I notice someone unusual I simply assume they are a typical 3/6 idiot. If I think someone is out of line I normally note that in a post. But then again when people are out of line my decisions are often much easier.

So thanks for your (a) thoughtful and (b) meaningful response. Oh wait. None of the important and really basic info that you "require" is actually important at all. Please check all douches at the door.

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Despite my better judgment I will waste 3 more minutes of my life responding to your disrespectful post. First, it does appear that you don't have a spade. Why couldn't you just say that? Is your time too valuable to include it? Mine certainly is guessing about it. Second, the "xx" is rarely insignificant. If you don't understand that then, quite frankly, you're likely not much of a player. Third, is your comment about 6-10 tabling supposed to impress? It doesn't. I seven or eight table 30/60; does that make me a stud? No, it just means I play a lot of tables at once. If you're suggesting that reads are unimportant when multi-tabling that's idiotic. There's this amazing thing called pokertracker that, if used properly, will give you all kinds of useful information that some players can use to actually help them make decisions about how best to play a hand -- like this one, for example.

There are many excellent players who post on this forum; a player of your apparent calibre would do well to take whatever advice they are kind enough to offer rather than responding with ignorant insults and attitude.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

I've taken the liberty of assigning x and x as 9 and 8, respectively. You now have a straight on the turn, i would put in a third bet.

Re: QJo, turn pickle
 

yay, flame war

no, my time is not "too valuable" to spend writing in whether or not i have a spade. in fact, my time is not very valuable at all. but i am also not dumb enough to ask a question like this and leave out the fact that I have a four flush. sheesh.

and i will have to disagree with you about x and x being insignificant. I think they are often insignificant, especially in cases where i label them as "x." I don't think they can get more insignificant than that. I don't even remember what they were! but i do remember that the turn was a ten. because I thought that was important.

and no, saying that i 6 table is not meant to impress. if i wanted to impress you i'd say how incredibly average looking i am, how much my car sucks, and how bad my grades are.

i do not use playerview, or gametime, or whatever that program is that one uses to view those stats during gameplay. i do not even think that the decision here would be any easier if i told you this guy was a 30/15 as opposed to a 20/10. but maybe I am wrong.

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There are many excellent players who post on this forum; a player of your apparent calibre would do well to take whatever advice they are kind enough to offer rather than responding with ignorant insults and attitude.

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zing! you wouldn't know anything about ignorant insults and attitude, would you?

and please tell me "xx is rarely insignificant" isn't your idea of advice from an excellent player.

so should I fold, or what?