Buying chips in a free roll (kind of long)
 

First, a little setup. I was playing in a free roll tourny over this past weekend at my college. It was put on through my dorm and the winner got a $75 gift certificate while the runner up got a $20 gift certificate. One of the guys at my table was donking off his chips by going all in blind every hand because he had someplace to go. Miraculously, his hands were holding up and he quickly quadrupled up and was easily the chip leader of the tourny. He had to leave however, and didn't know what to do with his chips. I offered to buy his chips off of him for $5 knowing that I was better than 95% of the field and with the chips, I could easily win the tournament. He took the offer and gave me his chips giving me a huge chip advantage over the rest of the table/(field). I eventually went on to win the tourny and the gift certificate [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] but I also caught some heat from my friends saying that I cheated by buying the chips.


My question is, was what I did un-ethical and bad etiquette? Do my friends have a valid point or are they just jealous? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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My question is, was what I did un-ethical and bad etiquette?

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Yes, but barely. Don't worry about it.

It's unethical and bad etiqutte, like knocking too many times on some one's door, or jaywalking is

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My question is, was what I did un-ethical and bad etiquette?

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Yes, but barely. Don't worry about it.

It's unethical and bad etiqutte, like knocking too many times on some one's door, or jaywalking is

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Barely? wtf? It is completely and unequivocally wrong. The guy with the chips should just leave and his stack sits there and gets blinded off. That is the only answer.

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Yeah, what you did is completely illeagal according to any tourney rules I've ever seen. Oh well, at least it worked out for you.

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yeah this is not so good

Chips in poker tournaments (even freerolls) should only pass from player to player in play, on the table.

period.

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Barely? wtf? It is completely and unequivocally wrong. The guy with the chips should just leave and his stack sits there and gets blinded off. That is the only answer.

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I'm curious what are your thoughts on jaywalking?

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Barely? wtf? It is completely and unequivocally wrong. The guy with the chips should just leave and his stack sits there and gets blinded off. That is the only answer.

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I'm curious what are your thoughts on jaywalking?

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jaywalking isn't poker

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thanks for not answering the question

see the problem is we both agree it's wrong, but it's all relative.

I was almost gonna say it was not wrong, unless whoever was running the tournament said he couldn't do this.

But even assuming that this tourney will have similar rules to a real tourney (real as in not freeroll), I'm having a hard time trying to believe this is that big a deal

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If I had just doubled up this guy and saw his monster pile of chips being sold to the best player on the table, I would be pissed! It's basically the same as chip dumping to someone you have a stake in... definitely against the rules.

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My position on jaywalking has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation. They are not related.

As someone else has already pointed out, the tourney thing is chip dumping. It is against the rules. It makes no difference that it is a free tourney or that the people running it allowed it to happen. Chip dumping cannot be condoned on any level.

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I'm really surprised that nobody said anything at any point. The fact that this was never brought up to the director suggests that it wasn't against the rules (my other assumption is that a dorm freeroll has no rules). Yes, it was unethical.

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I certainly would not allow this if it were my tournament or if I were sitting at the table....

I play alot of freeroll tournies like this live and have run into situations like this before.

Officially if you have to go before you are busted you simply turn in your chips and they come out of play (which sucks to a degree but what else you gonna do?)

I have also sat at a table where a guy simply offered to split his chips evenly among the players at the table and we all agreed. This may be unfair to the other tables but seemed fair at the time.

In real tournies the chips woudl just be blinded off I'm pretty sure...

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Barely? wtf? It is completely and unequivocally wrong. The guy with the chips should just leave and his stack sits there and gets blinded off. That is the only answer.

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I'm curious what are your thoughts on jaywalking?

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oh we've got a live one. sheez.

to the OP yes, what you did was completely against the rules of poker. i would be livid if i was playing in that. how you acquired chips is not how they are accumulated in a tourney.

you need to play poker to win chips. that's why youre sitting there.

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I'm curious what are your thoughts on jaywalking?

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Well, I live in Seattle, where the cops are notorious for ticketing jaywalkers, so I would say don't do it.

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You can't buy chips unless it's a rebuy, that's completely against the spirt at minimum and probably against the rules.

The point of a tournament is you get X chips at the start and you have to win with those chips. You're not allowed to buy more, steal them, or fabricate them out of raw clay under the table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Barely? wtf? It is completely and unequivocally wrong. The guy with the chips should just leave and his stack sits there and gets blinded off. That is the only answer.

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I'm curious what are your thoughts on jaywalking?

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Stupid anologies don't make you sound smart. They make you sound ignorant.

This is clearly in violation of the rules, as well as the spirit of the game.

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you definitely can't combine his chips w/your chips by any set of tourney rules.

but suppose you weren't playing in the tourney and you offered to take over his spot/chips for $5. i see this done all the time and while it wouldn't be kosher in a big B&M i generally don't have a problem w/this.

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My position on jaywalking has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation. They are not related.


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Well I'm not so sure about that. If you came out and said:

"JAYWALKING IS ILLEGAL AND CANNOT BE CONDONED ON ANY LEVEL"

Then I would understand why you said what you said about the OP

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oh we've got a live one. sheez.

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what does that mean?

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ok again, I agree it's against the rules, and it's wrong

But to me this is on the level of like cheating at monopoly, maybe one small notch higher