deep stacked set hand
 

I usually only post hands that I butcher, I'm normally very good at extracting. Play this along with me. Maybe it will be very standard, we'll see.

I raise here first in with 95% of time, didn't here cause I didn't want short stacked donkeys going all in and preventing me from playing potential set hand vs other big stack.

Other big stack is an aggro euro, and I should have an image set up where he is about to try to push me off my hand.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($76.60)
Button ($1267.65)
SB ($151.71)
BB ($579.03)
UTG ($440.40)
Hero ($998.22)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero calls $4, CO calls $4, Button raises to $8, SB (poster) raises to $10, BB calls $8, Hero calls $8, CO folds, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $42, Button raises to $84, SB folds, BB folds, Hero?

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

I 3 bet to 350.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

Bombs away. Must. Build. Pot. $320 now. Rest on turn.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

Ok consensus is 300+ for the flop. I only went to 240, thinking I like 300-320 better now so I can push the turn.

Anyways he calls, turn is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Pot is 532, I have 750 left, what now?

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

Push the turn anyways and curse yourself out for re-raising too small on the flop.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

check and decide.

you aren't bluffing him off anything and he might decide to slowplay a better hand.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

incidentally I believe a smoothcall is better than a small 3 bet on the flop because it leaves pot small and leaves a lot behind for this very situation.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

Huh? He's more likely to have a made hand on the flop than a draw. And that made hand could easily include a spade. No way I'm giving him a free draw to win a huge pot here!

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

you think he is more likely to have overpair than something like AQ spades?

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

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Push the turn anyways and curse yourself out for re-raising too small on the flop.

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Really think he calls with anything besides a flush(or straight) there though?

I think I FPS this one somewhat with smaller raise on the flop, because I wanted to give him the chance to push.

Probably should have just played it more straightforward since we are deep.

I hate checking turn, I think he checks through with his draws, and bets/pushes if he caught up.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

if you know he is going to bet enough to make your redraw incorrect with only a hand that beats you and check everythin else behind, then you should bet the turn for 200 , fold to a raise.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

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Push the turn anyways and curse yourself out for re-raising too small on the flop.

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Really think he calls with anything besides a flush(or straight) there though?


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Who cares? Are you going to complain about taking home $500+? Are you going to fold if you bet less and he pushes? Yes, I agree this is a sub-optimal situation but that's because you messed up the flop. If I were teleported into your situation, I would push the turn. It always looks weak to these guys and they always call.

From yesterday:
$400 NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: X ( $266 )
Seat 3: Maniac ( $1062.20 )
Seat 4: X ( $139.20 )
Seat 6: X ( $556.60 )
Seat 5: TWP ( $744.60 )
Seat 1: X ( $0 )
X posts small blind [$2].
X posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TWP [ Kh Jd ]
X has joined the table.
Maniac raises [$12].
X calls [$12].
TWP raises [$70].
X folds.
X folds.
Maniac calls [$58].
X folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 5h, Ks ]
Maniac checks.
TWP checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Maniac checks.
TWP bets [$100].
Maniac calls [$100].
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Maniac checks.
TWP is all-In.
Maniac calls [$574.60].
Maniac shows [ Qs, Js ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
TWP shows [ Kh, Jd ] a full house, Kings full of jacks.
TWP wins $1505.20 from the main pot with a full house, Kings full of jacks.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

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Who cares? Are you going to complain about taking home $500+? Are you going to fold if you bet less and he pushes?

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I'm pretty much not folding this hand now, so I agree with the who cares attitude, but still wonder what is optimal. I won this hand, actually he folded to my turn bet, but I am curious If I played a hand poorly, even if I didn't get punished for it.

I pretty much hated all my turn options, but really hated checking, hated betting small and folding to a raise even more, and thought I only got called by a better hand if I pushed. So I bet $340 thinking I may get a call from a worse hand from him for that price.

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

Does anyone push this right at the flop to prevent draws? There's already a pretty good sized pot. Also, pushing here is pretty much only going to get lower sets to call, and all the other draws to fold.

Doesn't this just about guarantee a good profit?

I'm not used to playing with deep stacks, and am curious how this usually plays out.

I realize you'd be giving up some value of playing it a little bit slower - but is it worth the risk?
There are 2 suited cards on the board, and villain could also have a potential OESD.

Does 3-betting it keep out enough draw hands anyway? Biggest concerns would probably be something like A9suited or JTs

Re: deep stacked set hand
 

$340 is giving him pretty close to correct odds to draw out on you. And I doubt he calls what is so obviously a value bet without a better hand. I really think pushing is more likely to get a loose call than $340 here against this type of player.