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i wouldnt touch this game with scalf's money, but..

..howard eskin reports a 50/50 shot of T.O. being suspended sometime in the next 24 hours, for sunday night's game and possibly for longer (keyshawn/tampa bay dealie)

PFT is also reporting similar news on their site

just another thing thrown into the mix for those of you betting the game, i would say if you're hot to trot on the skins get the 2.5 where you can and roll with it, and if you like the eagles no matter what, wait to see what happens to the line if he does get suspended, get yourself some extra point(s)

(who am i kidding, eagles moneyline bitches!)

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i expected him to go apeshit on his radio show just now, but he actually was quite tame

still an interesting situation to monitor, i assume we'll know for definite tomorrow morning/afternoon if he will be suspended or not

donovan appears to be starting sunday night for whatever that's worth

(eagles moneyline!)

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Comcast just reported that he omitted a part in his apology. The part where he was suposed to apologize to Donovan McNabb. I would think that makes it a little better for him being suspended.

I knew he was a cancer to my fantasy team. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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did you happen to catch the radio interview? he often said he regretted the interview, and also that his comments were being taken out of context, etc. - he said he talked to dawkins about it today and cleared the air with him, blah blah - sounded like he knew that there was a chance he may be suspended and was doing a serious CYA.... compared to his other weekly radio shows, this was really not what TO typically sounds like

(knock, knock - who's there? - eagles - eagles who? - eagles moneyline!)

p.s. dont know if you are in philly but, hollis thomas is on comcast right now dressed in all red, he looks like a firetruck, pretty funny

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dont know if you are in philly but, hollis thomas is on comcast right now dressed in all red, he looks like a firetruck, pretty funny

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T.O. really does seem to be on damage control. I wish I was a fly on the wall for that meeting with Andy Reid. Because his wheels have been spinning ever since.

And I love how you are misquoted when someone asks you, "Do you agree with Michael Irvin that the Eagles would be 8-0 if Brett Favre was the Quarterback?" and TO's resonse, "Yea, I think so."

I also like Hollis talking about he got interupted at team snack and was ticked because it was "junk food fridays." Like that guy needs more junkfood. It looks like he ate Corey Simon.

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two hours up the road so no radio show.

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just for future reference, WIP is available on the internet now (610wip.com) - the feed has been a bit wonky all day, so i caught up with the radio show on 790theticket.com (every friday at 5pm)

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I also like Hollis talking about he got interupted at team snack and was ticked because it was "junk food fridays." Like that guy needs more junkfood. It looks like he ate Corey Simon.

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just for future reference, WIP is available on the internet now (610wip.com) - the feed has been a bit wonky all day, so i caught up with the radio show on 790theticket.com (every friday at 5pm)

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i thought TO wasnt going to play the next two games anyway becuase of his re=injury?

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i thought TO wasnt going to play the next two games anyway becuase of his re=injury?

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he practiced without incident both yesterday and today, and said on his radio show he was doing just fine and will be ready to play on sunday if he's allowed to

Owens suspended
 

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Just reported on ESPN2.

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Just reported on ESPN2.

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Game just went offline at all sportsbooks within the last 5 mins.

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wow, hope y'all got washington early [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

interested to see what the line is when it re-appears, if it's high enough i'll still rock the eagles $-line

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wow, hope y'all got washington early [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

interested to see what the line is when it re-appears, if it's high enough i'll still rock the eagles $-line

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I'd guess 4-4.5 which will equate to about +175-180. They could really use Pinkston right about now.

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They could really use Pinkston right about now.

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I just threw-up all over myself.

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They could really use Pinkston right about now.

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I just threw-up all over myself.

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My cousin wrote this article in the Wash. Times 2 days ago: link

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I actually think TO not playing could be a good thing, because the offense absolutely hates eachother, and maybe Reid will run the ball more than 10 times. I think it may be a blessing in disguise, even though you never want a guy as good as TO to not play. I think it will help however.

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wish i had clicked on this thread about 5 minutes earlier haha... GL guys [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I actually think TO not playing could be a good thing, because the offense absolutely hates eachother, and maybe Reid will run the ball more than 10 times. I think it may be a blessing in disguise, even though you never want a guy as good as TO to not play. I think it will help however.

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I don't know if it will help by losing one of the top 3 receivers in the game - maybe the attitude of the team will change, and that will in turn inspire some to play better/harder, but just removing the presence of the actual talent will not help. However I agree, more rushing plays is probably a good thing overall, I just don't like that this is how we finally achieved that.

I still think they can and will win the game, however.

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according to what paolantonio said on espn radio owens was supposed to apologize in front of the team and didn't, and that's why he was suspended

andy reid has the biggest set of balls on earth (and not just because he's 350lbs)

super bowl run starts now [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] - the rope-a-dope with the 90 passes a game will open up the running game and screen passes that havent been present...teams cant gameplan, eagles win 31 in a row, parade WOOOOOO

you are all invited to have some of what im obviously smoking

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according to what paolantonio said on espn radio owens was supposed to apologize in front of the team and didn't, and that's why he was suspended

andy reid has the biggest set of balls on earth (and not just because he's 350lbs)

super bowl run starts now [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] - the rope-a-dope with the 90 passes a game will open up the running game and screen passes that havent been present...teams cant gameplan, eagles win 31 in a row, parade WOOOOOO

you are all invited to have some of what im obviously smoking

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Haha...all that said, this was a pretty bad spot for the Eagles before TO went down and more so now. Let the Reggie Brown era begin! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Haha...all that said, this was a pretty bad spot for the Eagles before TO went down

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I dont see how. Andy Reid has an AMAZING record after a loss. (17-3 since 2000) I loved them to win outright beforehand (I know, homer blah blah), and I don't LOVE them now, but still think that they will. Why don't you make a CCx-play in your picks with a unit on the ML [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Let the Reggie Brown era begin!

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It's a shame they let go Darnererererian McCants, I hope they've re-signed him [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Haha...all that said, this was a pretty bad spot for the Eagles before TO went down

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I dont see how. Andy Reid has an AMAZING record after a loss.

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Yes, with earlier teams that were better than the one currently playing for him. Washington was just humiliatingly shut out in a divisional game -- their focus for Sunday night is going to be unparalelled in the Gibbs 2 era. I'd prob argue the same regardless of who was going into FedEx.

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Let the Reggie Brown era begin!

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It's a shame they let go Darnererererian McCants, I hope they've re-signed him [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Speaking of FedEx...where's my fellow Bruin alumnus FredEx when needed? lol

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Yes, with earlier teams that were better than the one currently playing for him.

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This is not true. He is 17-3 after a loss since 2000. Try not to lose too much money on the game if you bet it.. I'll do the same [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Yes, with earlier teams that were better than the one currently playing for him.

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This is not true. He is 17-3 after a loss since 2000. Try not to lose too much money on the game if you bet it.. I'll do the same [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Unless I didn't make myself clear, this doesn't make sense. If the team Reid is currently coaching is worse than his teams that held a record of 59-21 from 00-04, then the 17-3 number doesn't indicate anything about how this year's team will perform off a loss.

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Unless I didn't make myself clear, this doesn't make sense. If the team Reid is currently coaching is worse than his teams that held a record of 59-21 from 00-04

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I can read, thanks.

My point was, there is no way that this is his worst team of the last 5 years.

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Unless I didn't make myself clear, this doesn't make sense. If the team Reid is currently coaching is worse than his teams that held a record of 59-21 from 00-04

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I can read, thanks.

My point was, there is no way that this is his worst team of the last 5 years.

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His teams of the last 5 years averaged a 12-4 record and none of them were worse than 11-5. There's a darn good chance this is worst team he's had during that period. I like the Eagles and Reid but really don't like this spot for them. Most of the handicapping I do relies on situational trends and this game pops up as a bad one.

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His teams of the last 5 years averaged a 12-4 record and none of them were worse than 11-5.

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I think you're smart enough to know that a 12-4 team one year is not 'better' or 'worse' per se than an 11-5 team the next year - talent and schedule are two big factors in determining when teams are better than others.

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His teams of the last 5 years averaged a 12-4 record and none of them were worse than 11-5.

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I think you're smart enough to know that a 12-4 team one year is not 'better' or 'worse' per se than an 11-5 team the next year - talent and schedule are two big factors in determining when teams are better than others.

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Yes, of course. The Eagles have played a tough schedule this year but they've still looked relatively mediocre all things considered. Can you really say that about any of the 00-04 teams through the midpoint of the season? I suppose you could make an argument for the 00 team but that's it.

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His teams of the last 5 years averaged a 12-4 record and none of them were worse than 11-5.

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I think you're smart enough to know that a 12-4 team one year is not 'better' or 'worse' per se than an 11-5 team the next year - talent and schedule are two big factors in determining when teams are better than others.

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No, of course not. The Eagles have played a tough schedule this year but they've still looked relatively mediocre all things considered. Can you really say that about any of the 00-04 teams through the midpoint of the season? I suppose you could make an argument for the 00 team but that's it.

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2003 they looked just as bad. Same record (4-3). They got blown out in the first 2 games of the season and McNabb looked really really bad. But in 2003 his problem was trying to play with a wrapped thumb which was fixed by just not wrapping it anymore; this year he has an injury that won't go away all season.

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talent and schedule are two big factors in determining when teams are better than others.

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I agree W-L is hardly the be all end all...the Eagles went a nice 11-5 in 00 but faced a very weak schedule.

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No, of course not. The Eagles have played a tough schedule this year but they've still looked relatively mediocre all things considered. Can you really say that about any of the 00-04 teams through the midpoint of the season? I suppose you could make an argument for the 00 team but that's it.

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Besides last year, every Eagles team since 2000 has been pretty mediocre before November.

In 2003, they were 4-3 going into November.
In 2002, they were 5-2 going into November.
In 2001, they were 3-3 going into November.
In 2000, they were 5-4 going into November.

In 2005, they are 4-3 going into November.

Andy Reid is 35-10 in the months of November and December, including at least 3 'throwaway' losses when there was nothing left to play for in the last game or the last two games.

In 2000, the team featured such offensive superstars as Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Stanley Pritchett, and Darnell Autry.

In 2001, we got to see the debut of the amazing James Thrash-Todd Pinkston receiving duo, almost unmatched in talent across the whole league.

2002 ushered in year 2 of the "Good Hands Brothers" in Thrash and Pinkston, adding fossil Antonio Freeman into the mix as the slot receiver.

Please continue telling me that this is arguably the worst team since 2000, and if you could do it every Monday that would be great, since Mondays are typically bad days for me, and I could use the laugh.

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I edited my previous posts.

Let me summarize: this is a good team in a bad spot, nothing more or less.

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line is back on at +/- 3

see you at the finish line [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]