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Whoever the morons are at the 2/4 tables on the Party skins are that are telling the fish about 2+2 books, and the website. Please shut the [censored] up.

That is all.

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Whoever the morons are at the 2/4 tables on the Party skins are that are telling the fish about 2+2 books, and the website. Please shut the [censored] up.

That is all.

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Someone needs to report them as spammers.

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Whoever the morons are at the 2/4 tables on the Party skins are that are telling the fish about 2+2 books, and the website. Please shut the [censored] up.

That is all.

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Man oh man, I wish chat wasn't an option for online poker. Time and time again I see some table captain berate a big time donator for a stupid play and all I can do is just sit and watch while I grit my teeth and wish I could kick him square in the nuts.

Then you got the idiots that give out the URL of this site, or talk about this book, that book. For Pete's sake, are you not playing this game to make money?

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It was me.

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Someone needs to report them as spammers.

Touche!

In other news, the best anti-spam and anti-table-coach weapon is to fill the chat with garble after each line. This effectively hides the trash talk.

Create a text file and fill it with something like this:

xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx

Make a bookmark to the file for easy access (in Start menu, etc). When table coach enters, open the file, copy all text and fire at the chat.

Voila!

Adde

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The first rule of 2+2 is, you DO NOT talk about 2+2!


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The first rule of 2+2 is, you DO NOT talk about 2+2!


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The second rule of 2+2 is....

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Someone needs to report them as spammers.

Touche!

In other news, the best anti-spam and anti-table-coach weapon is to fill the chat with garble after each line. This effectively hides the trash talk.

Create a text file and fill it with something like this:

xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx

Make a bookmark to the file for easy access (in Start menu, etc). When table coach enters, open the file, copy all text and fire at the chat.

Voila!

Adde

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Could we get everybody to start doing this? I have thought about reporting people who criticize the fish. I thought maybe I could get thier chat priveleges revoked.

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Pyroponic:

I checked out your blog. You are too obsessed with short term variance.

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I went through this paranoia before too, but letting people know about 2+2 really doesn't matter, you just get a few more noobs who buy a book, but buying a book, and hanging out here for a little while doesn't make you a good player, you have to read the book, practice the concepts and analyze hands, the average joe doesn't want to do that so all this worrying is for not. 2p2'ers come and go, many posters go nuts for 4-5 months then sort of fall off the face of the earth. In summary, it is inevitable that fish will find this site, and 2+2 books, but that isnt the only piece of the formula to build a winning player.
~Justin

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Most fish will remain that way in the face of overwhelming evidence. A lack of self-honesty goes hand-in-hand with being a bad poker player. I don't worry about educating the fish too much. There's lots of fish.

If it really bothers you, then just try to find a way to change the subject at the table.

I've always wondered about the double standard. Many here don't want the bad players to know about 2+2, but if one of them makes their way here, then we go out of our way to teach them to play better. It's probably two completely different sets of posters, but it just seems kind of wonky.

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I play in local sports bar freeroll tourneys sometimes (they are for fun or house cash or some prizes, etc.) and they usually have a nice crowd, say 80+ people.

Obviously most of hte players are god awful terrible but alot of the regulars are actually pretty dang good.

Anyway I was playing at this new place I had never played before and after I got knocked out I noticed a lady (probably 35-40 years old) who was either there with someone or had already been knocked out, reading a copy of SSHE in the corner and a few thoughts crossed my mind

1. I hope she knows thats a limit book and not no-limit.
2. How the hell does some 35 year old woman know about SSHE???! I hope she isn't think of playing online.

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2. How the hell does some 35 year old woman know about SSHE???! I hope she isn't think of playing online.

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What do you mean? They sell SSHE at all the bookstores and lots of people know about 2+2....even old people....David and Mason have been publishing for quite some time.

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your're an idiot for making the millionth post about this.

just because a fish reads a book or even reads a forum doesn't mean he will apply it anyway. 2+2 is everywhere, hell raymer is the world champ and endorses it on the back of every 2+2 book which is a majority of the books and at every book store in the country.

if someone wants to learn this game bad enough they will, period and that is with or without the help of some yayhoos on party spamming this site.

most newbies end up in OOT anyway so chill.

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2. How the hell does some 35 year old woman know about SSHE???! I hope she isn't think of playing online.

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What do you mean? They sell SSHE at all the bookstores and lots of people know about 2+2....even old people....David and Mason have been publishing for quite some time.

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Man... she was *35*???

That's freakin *old*, dude!

Most 35-year-olds can't even read any more, much less figure out how to get on line.

She probably doesn't even have sex any more.

I hope I never get to be 35.

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2. How the hell does some 35 year old woman know about SSHE???! I hope she isn't think of playing online.

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Age discrimination. You're fired!

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so all this worrying is for NAUGHT.

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fyp.

http://webster.com/dictionary/naught

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The first rule of 2+2 is, you DO NOT talk about 2+2!
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The second rule of 2+2 is....

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SIIHP!!

[I didn't want to make this post as I usually do not waste space with this crap, but I'm extremely drunk and it's not even 6pm yet.... ]

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I hope I never get to be 35.

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Supply your home address, your wish will be granted.

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The first rule of 2+2 is, you DO NOT talk about 2+2!
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The second rule of 2+2 is....

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SIIHP!!

[I didn't want to make this post as I usually do not waste space with this crap, but I'm extremely drunk and it's not even 6pm yet.... ]

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Drunk before 6pm. That's pretty awesome.

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your're an idiot for making the millionth post about this.

just because a fish reads a book or even reads a forum doesn't mean he will apply it anyway. 2+2 is everywhere, hell raymer is the world champ and endorses it on the back of every 2+2 book which is a majority of the books and at every book store in the country.

if someone wants to learn this game bad enough they will, period and that is with or without the help of some yayhoos on party spamming this site.

most newbies end up in OOT anyway so chill.

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I actually watched two guys kindly criticize one of my favorite fish (over a 40% VPIP), and tell him to play fewer hands. He thanked them for the advice, and probably dropped down to around 30% VPIP. Still profitable, but kind of annoying to watch these idiots ruin a perfectly good ATM.

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The first rule of 2+2 is, you DO NOT talk about 2+2!
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The second rule of 2+2 is....

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SIIHP!!

[I didn't want to make this post as I usually do not waste space with this crap, but I'm extremely drunk and it's not even 6pm yet.... ]

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Drunk before 6pm. That's pretty awesome.

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Livin' large and takin' charge!

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while i generally agree that one has to take it upon themselves to be studious and learn their way around....I still think it's disadvantageous to give weak-tight or loose-fish players a head-start and point them towards the TAG style of play.


Once upon a time I was the fishyest of the fish.
I didn't even know there was such a thing as a 'crappy' hand and certainly thought that calling an all-in with A8o in the first level of an SNG was an okay play.
I thought this until a table-coach/moron pointed out what a crappy play it was (I sucked out and won the hand).


At one point...I wanted to search on google for 'poker strategy articles' and eventually found my way here.
After a little while here I was seen to write "you mean that the guys who started this forum also wrote some poker books too? are they any good?"


Granted, this was in the time when the WPT was just starting and 2+2 publishing wasn't selling at nearly the rate they are now (nor were they as well known).
But there ARE players out there who have never heard of 2+2....and SOME of those who eventually find out about it actually WILL pay attention and potentially get to the level of 'not-as-sucky' play that I have achieved.


I'm not TOO worried about those chatting about 2+2 or pokertracker at the tables to the degree of paranoia.
But I don't think it helps a whole lot.
And I certainly prefer the coaches at the table who are always giving bad advice.


I think that changing the subject to "i like tacos" or trying to argue "that stuff doesn't work. any idiot can see that you need to FEEL which cards are coming" etc etc is a decent approach.

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I actually watched two guys kindly criticize one of my favorite fish (over a 40% VPIP), and tell him to play fewer hands. He thanked them for the advice, and probably dropped down to around 30% VPIP. Still profitable, but kind of annoying to watch these idiots ruin a perfectly good ATM.

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yes, that sucks and its quite a difference but these are a few cases over how many players that play on party let alone the internet?

i just don't think it really effects things that much, plus just because he drops down to 30%VPIP is he going to know how to make good decisions on all streets? a fish is still a fish.

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I'll agree that bringing it up is pointless because you dont want to drive any more people than those that are already being driven here, but freaking out when 2+2 is mentioned is a little overboard.
~Justin

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while i generally agree that one has to take it upon themselves to be studious and learn their way around....I still think it's disadvantageous to give weak-tight or loose-fish players a head-start and point them towards the TAG style of play.

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Tapping the glass is never a good thing.

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my favorite is when someone who has 80% VPIP is berating the other fish at the table

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Pyroponic:

I checked out your blog. You are too obsessed with short term variance.

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Obsessed with short-term variance? Sorry if losing $5,000 in a week after taking practically a month out is something everyone handles so easily...

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Pyroponic:

I checked out your blog. You are too obsessed with short term variance.

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Obsessed with short-term variance? Sorry if losing $5,000 in a week after taking practically a month out is something everyone handles so easily...

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Maybe you shouldn't be playing 20/40 if you can't handle losing 5k

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Not to be a jerk but I think that it's funny that members hate people talking shop at the table when the entire 2+2 website is basically a resource for turning fish into good players.

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Pyroponic:

I checked out your blog. You are too obsessed with short term variance.

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Obsessed with short-term variance? Sorry if losing $5,000 in a week after taking practically a month out is something everyone handles so easily...

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Maybe you shouldn't be playing 20/40 if you can't handle losing 5k

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Yeah you're right, I can't handle it at all. I basically just reflected on it and tilted the rest of my bankroll away.

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Not to be a jerk but I think that it's funny that members hate people talking shop at the table when the entire 2+2 website is basically a resource for turning fish into good players.

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There certainly isn't a big difference between talking strategy at a table and talking strategy at a strategy forum. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Only in practice.

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2. How the hell does some 35 year old woman know about SSHE???! I hope she isn't think of playing online.

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What do you mean? They sell SSHE at all the bookstores and lots of people know about 2+2....even old people....David and Mason have been publishing for quite some time.

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Man... she was *35*???

That's freakin *old*, dude!

Most 35-year-olds can't even read any more, much less figure out how to get on line.

She probably doesn't even have sex any more.

I hope I never get to be 35.

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As unbelievable as this may sound to some of you, I am a 51-year old woman who owns SSHE.......along with HEFAP and TOP. I've been a good customer of Sklansky, Malmuth and Miller. Started playing this past February, and thanks to them, I have been a winner.

Some "old ladies" can play. And we especially enjoy the young pups at our table who think we can't......

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Go Malo [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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After "outing" myself as an "old lady" I am now a journeywoman instead of a journeyman.

I like it......thanks to whomever made the change. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I was the fish once at a table and outdrew one guy when my flush draw hit. He re-bought and started telling me how bad I was and giving me advise about my odds to hit the hand and so on. So I waited for my big blind and type in something like this as I left the table with $200 of his money.

"Here is my advice to you great player: Don't scare away the fish when they have your money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] “

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I understand that people get annoyed by players helping other players on the table, but still it has always been like that, and it will always stay like this since being helpful this way is part of human nature.

So just accept it!

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I understand that people get annoyed by players helping other players on the table, but still it has always been like that, and it will always stay like this since being helpful this way is part of human nature.

So just accept it!

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Well said. Trash talkers are a completely different thing though.

(See you at TdF 2006 Arnfinn?)

Adde

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(See you at TdF 2006 Arnfinn?)


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