What is your 6-max vpip/pfr?
 

What is your 6-max vpip/pfr, what site what limit, and are you happy with your stats?

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.5/1 30/20 over ~8k hands
1/2 28-27/16-15 ~20k hands

All on Party with bloated winrates. Something like 25/18 would dominate micro shorthanded games IMO

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23/19 is the vpip/pfr that I have with the most hands; it is at 3/6 short. I am unhappy with those stats. My vpip should be several points higher.

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rounded up it's around 29/19.

I'm pretty content with it for the limit I play.

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24/15 at PS 2/4. I have a shiney luckbox.

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PokerStars

2/4 - 27.78/18.06 - 20k hands
3/6 - 26.16/18.52- 12k hands
5/10 - 26.01/19.32 - 2k hands

Happy yes, been trying to lower it for a while and I think it's about right now.

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.5/1 36k 28/17

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wow, my pfr is through the roof hah

2/4 (current limit) 750 hands - 31.75/23.4
1/2 6000 hands - 28.4/22.3

2/4 winrate (which is meaningless I know), is 3.5
1/2 winrate (which is almost as meaningless) is 2.25

Is a PFR this high playable? Or have I just been a luckbox for ~7000 hands?

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i'm like a 27/17, and yeah i'm happy. this is over my last 15k hands, after i decided to tighten up.

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.5/1 25/17 4700 hands - party
1/2 28/20 1000 hands - crypto + prima

happy? i have no idea. 6-max is an unknown for me.

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Only 2.2k hands.

VPIP 29.36 and PFR 18.95

I'm new to 6-max and still learning.

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25.6/18.19 - 1/2 - 4k
24.4/18.08 - 2/4 - ~400 hands with a winrate of -13.6BB/100.

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Party 5/10 and 10/20

24/18

very much.

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At all of my 6m tables, I'm about 29/19. If I filter for 5-6 players, I'm more like 25/16.

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[censored] I have some opening up to do apparently

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just don't go too far. too tight is better than too loose. adding hands is easy. folding instead of calling/raising marginal +EV hands before the flop does not amount to as much as playing -EV hands does after the flop.

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wow, my pfr is through the roof hah

2/4 (current limit) 750 hands - 31.75/23.4 ...
Is a PFR this high playable?

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in my experience, it really really depends on your table. in general, no, i don't think you'll be playing optimally 6-handed with those stats.

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well I'm 22/16 - the lowest out of everyone here

I'm very liberal stealing (not as much defending) - and I feel comfortable where I'm at right now - other than my turn aggression

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how often are you stealing blinds? what are your fsb and fbb to steal numbers?

and what's your vpip on the button? in the SB?

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I play $1-2 5-max at Paradise. Since I started in June, I'm running 30/19 over 5000 hands, with a sample size impaired 4.5 BB/100.

Stats are meh. The game styles shift so much that I don't think they are good measures of your play.

In terms of my play, I'm probably a little too liberal from the small blind, I pay off a little too much on the river, and I tend to be a little aggro.

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27/16 48k on party 1/2 6max 3.2BB/100

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It's just like full ring guys, this comes with time. Just hang in there and learn, you'll eventually open up without even knowing it.

FYI a good portion of the high VPIP comes from some pre-flop limping in favorable situations that you might not be comfortable with right now.

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Around 23.9/17.2 over 19k hands from .5/1 to 2/4.

At 2/4 over 6k hands I'm 23.2/17.2.

I think the VP$IP could be a couple points higher and the PFR% maybe 1, or 2.

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It's just like full ring guys, this comes with time. Just hang in there and learn, you'll eventually open up without even knowing it.

FYI a good portion of the high VPIP comes from some pre-flop limping in favorable situations that you might not be comfortable with right now.

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Thats a part of my game that im working on a lot. Finding the loose passive tables which is allowing me to limp on the button after a few limpers.

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23/15. I think the reason I dont have higher stats is that Im not isolating enough with marginal hands like 109s. Also Im not defending my blinds as often as most people since I find very few people with high enough pfr that a steal is probable. FYI I defend BB at 64%(60% HU) and sb at 82%.

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There is something worth commenting on here when talking about the 6-max game.

I have never focused much at all on my pre-flop game, taking the advice of Ed Miller, and many others, to focus on the post-flop play.

My approach has been to find a good preflop chart follow that to a T, and spend my time on the post flop portion of the game.

I think that this may be a poor approach in micro-limit 6-Max. All of the pre-flop charts that I have tried and followed (only 2, but that is all I have ever found) both get me to 21/16 (one from 2+2, and one from another site). I think that this is way too low, and I would like to be around 26/19 or so. I think that a lot of it has to do with playing with too many other 2+2ers at Absolute, where the PFR table averages can be upwards of 20%. So it comes down to cold-calling 2 bets, or 3 betting to isolate. That is tough to do with marginal hands, as EVERY piece of reading I have done does not advocate cold-calling with marginal hands. I often find myself playing at a table of 6 where 2 of the other players are 22/17/3.2 (or similar).


I would be VERY interested to see a preflop chart of someone that is quite a bit looser than me (i.e. 25/18).

When reviewing my stats the position based stats are as they should be (early = 10/10, late 24/16, SB 33/14, etc.) I also Attempt to steal ~35%, Fold SB to Steal ~85%, and Fold BB to Steal ~65%.

Any help here would be appreciated. (if you want to know how I currently play please see this thread: http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...=0#Post1256134 )

Margon

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I'm at 29/13. This is for 2/4 and 3/6 6max.
I guess I limp more than the rest of you.

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I was going to comment on the stats I had on you, but I figured that in the few hands I had, it was a statistical anomaly. If you really are going to play that many hands, you should be kicking up your PFR more - into the 17-19 range.

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1/2 13K hands 26.4/15.6 3.29bb/100
2/4 3K hands 27/15 SSS .72bb/100

I guess I'm with you fellers.

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.5/1 -- 31/16/2k Party -- Happy

1/2 -- 30/16/13k -- Party, Crypto and Prima -- Happy

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After about 9000 hands (I have more on another database but am too stupid/lazy to figure out how to combine them) I'm at 24/19. This is at 1/2,2/4 3/6 at Stars,Prima,Crypto and Absolute combined. I don't think I've ever open limped in 6 max.

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27/19 overall, over several limits (mostly 2/4 6m on Absolute and UB). And yeah, I'm pretty happy with my preflop play, after making some adjustments about halfway through my shorthanded career.

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I'm stuck at 21/15, which are very similar stats to yourself. The link you posted doesn't seem to work, but I have a feeling we're using the same chart.

The way I see it there are three ways to increase my VPIP:

a) Limp more hands

b) Raise more marginal hands like A9o/KTo from UTG.

c) Steal more.

I'm limping all the recommended hands after other limpers, but I refuse to cold-call with them unless there are at least 3-4 of us in the pot, and even then they need to have multi-way strength.

I've avoided raising the marginal hands listed as raise/fold from UTG and MP. I guess I don't want to get caught with my pants down while I'm still learning the post-flop nuances of 6-max.

I don't have my steal stats to hand, but I'm pretty happy with how often I steal. If it's on the chart, I'll steal by default. Against the right opponents I'll steal with more, but I feel like it's got to have SOME high card strength, or suited and connected.

Any suggestions from those that have higher VPIP? How does your approach differ?

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Here is a link to a chart that I like a fair bit better than the 2+2 one, I don't know why, but it offers much more guidance.

http://www.mrfixitonline.com/readTopic.a...869#Post1701869

I would really like to hear from some others on how to get the VPIP and PFR up as well.

Margon

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You must be using a different chart than me. I don't have a single coldcall hand on my chart and I only have 2 R/F hands UTG.

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party 5/10 - 26/18.

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Sorry, I was thinking of calling a raise from the SB, which is not strictly cold-calling.

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I don't know why but whenever I let my VPIP SB go higher I consider that a major leak (that and going to showdown too often with Marginal hands).

I try to keep my VPIP SB very much under tight control, I like to keep it within 10% of my total VPIP.

I would caution that in my expeience this is something that can get out of control very very fast.

Margon

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You may not be isolation raising as often as you could be. Generally when a bad player limps in front of me I will raise with the majority of the hands I would have open raised with.

You also may not be defending your big blind enough.

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Here is a link to a chart that I like a fair bit better than the 2+2 one, I don't know why, but it offers much more guidance.

http://www.mrfixitonline.com/readTopic.a...869#Post1701869

I would really like to hear from some others on how to get the VPIP and PFR up as well.

Margon

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I'll give that one a go just to see if it makes a difference, but if it hasn't worked for you...

Luckily, I think there is still a lot of value in post-flop play in 6-max games. I think that's keeping me afloat at the moment.