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A Winrate of 2.96PTBB/100 Hands
$355/hr @ 300hands/hr

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Taken from www.splashpots.com


I guess my question is, how does this compare to the 5/10 game, the 6/10 game?

I have never played enough hands at a limit to be able to see my true winrate. I had been bouncing around a bit mainly due to a lack of a bankroll. I got 3rd in a party super in August and took one down about a month ago. I now am overrolled for the games I have been used to playing. I played the 3/6 short-handed game for a mere 17,000 hands and felt I was dominating it hard enough(6.78PTBB/100) that I could take a shot at the 5/10 SH game. I now have a mere 5,300 hands at 5/10 SH with an inflated 8.51BB/100 winrate.

I guess my question is, what is the best known winrate at the 3/6 level, 5/10 level, 10/20 levels? I'd also love to hear winrates of fellow 2+2ers and how many hands they've recorded at that level. If you don't feel comfortable telling the whole world, I would love a PM if you don't mind. Just curious to see what I'm getting myself into. 3 months ago my bankroll was $2,000 and since then I've multiplied that by over 30 times.

Thanks in advance for dealing with another winrate thread,
-Ace

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i was at 3.6/180K if that helps, and 8.5 after first 30K hands.

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I don't think 8-10 PTBB/100 at 5/10 short is unreasonable.

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I don't think 8-10 PTBB/100 at 5/10 short is unreasonable.

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It is, over the long term.

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I don't think 8-10 PTBB/100 at 5/10 short is unreasonable.

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It is, over the long term.

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Kane,

Is that all? Seems kinda low for a player of your ability. Not doubting your ability...I just thought your #'s would be higher.

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Kane,

Is that all? Seems kinda low for a player of your ability. Not doubting your ability...I just thought your #'s would be higher.

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Heh. 'Kinda low' compared to what? 10/20 is a lot harder than 5/10.

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Kane,

Is that all? Seems kinda low for a player of your ability. Not doubting your ability...I just thought your #'s would be higher.

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T I L T

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I think it seems a bit low considering a strong player can 8 table the 1/2 6 max on 1/20th the bankroll and variance for around $180/hr.

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Kane,

Is that all? Seems kinda low for a player of your ability. Not doubting your ability...I just thought your #'s would be higher.

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first, im not sure what makes you think you know how well kane plays...
second, i think alot of ppl assumptions about what is poss longterm are way out of line and based on running hot for a brief period.
bad [censored] happens in poker.

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You have been saying this for ages, and whilst I agree you could do better, it would not be so much better as to satisfy everyone expecting 6+ or whatever. Most people have no idea of the swings in this game over 200k hands.

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A winrate of nearly 3BB/100 over that many hands is awesome for the 10/20 game...hell I would take it at 5/10SH game.

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I think it seems a bit low considering a strong player can 8 table the 1/2 6 max on 1/20th the bankroll and variance for around $180/hr.

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or 4table 600NL 6max for 240$/hour. But still 240 is not 350 :-)

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I think it seems a bit low considering a strong player can 8 table the 1/2 6 max on 1/20th the bankroll and variance for around $180/hr.

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When I 8 tabled 1/2 I made about $80-100/hr if that helps.

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I looked back at my stats and I'd actually say $160/hr for the 8 tabling 1/2 is more accurate.

Those games are just super soft and you are seeing 500+ hands an hour.

Indeed $160 is less than $350, but again it takes like 1/20th the bankroll to do it. I would have figured Kane's hourly to be north of the $500 range.

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'Kinda low' compared to what? 10/20 is a lot harder than 5/10.

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I have very limited experience in 10/20 (like few sessions) and somewhat more in 5/10 6max(like one month) so I know nothing. So my question is : does anybody think that 5/10 6max at Party is harder than 10/20 fullring ? That's my first impression (as I said its not based on anything reasonable other than I saw some uber fishes at 10/20 and not so many of them in 5/10). Is it completely wrong or somebody agree ?

Best wishes

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I don't think 8-10 PTBB/100 at 5/10 short is unreasonable.

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Oh well. I cant imagine my longterm winrate at 600 6max be higher than 5PTBB/100 maybe 6. (now I am running really hot despite losing 15xbuyin in one week in the past and Iam just above 5.5).

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You have been saying this for ages, and whilst I agree you could do better, it would not be so much better as to satisfy everyone expecting 6+ or whatever. Most people have no idea of the swings in this game over 200k hands.

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Yeah, I know. Thats why I pointed out that i ran at 8.5ptbb for 30K hands, and dropped from 3.6ptbb at 180K hands to 2.96ptbb after 200K hands, and at 50/100 I'm at ----hahahahahahahaha you dont want to know.

Like I said on my website, it is also harder when you start playing 30hrs/wk because your game selection is worse. I dont know how many hands I played 3-handed with you, or 4-handed with you and FSU.

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First off, everyone needs to read the thread I linked to. All the numbers people are quoting here are basically worthless.

Having said that, I made 400/hr at the 1k 6max over 100k hands. Nowadays I thrash around in the 2k, with twice the variance, thrice the stress, and a dollar per hour amount that is waaaay below what I was making at the 1k.

Why? A few reasons. I obviously likely ran way hot at the 1k. Ego. And because I still don't feel the variance gods have given me a chance at the 2k yet, and if I start putting things together I will take off.

But, once again, all of this is basically conjecture. Just try to play your hands well, ignore what everyone else is making, and in the end, everything will be ok. And never forget how lucky you are to have such a profitable hobby.

Oh, and 1k 6max is way easier than the 2k. I know tons of people who agree.

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I have limited experience in the 10/20 full but 5/10 6m was/is much easier at least for me.

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Oh, and 1k 6max is way easier than the 2k. I know tons of people who agree.


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and Turnip :

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I have limited experience in the 10/20 full but 5/10 6m was/is much easier at least for me.


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I have much of respect for opinions of both of you so I think I will concentrate on 5/10 6max instead of taking my superlucky shots at 10/20 [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks for answers

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7.25BB/100. About 80k hands. Mainly 4-tabling.

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That's from another thread with El Diablo... anyone know what limit that is?



Also, I was reading an older post that has a Confidence Interval and was wondering what SD/Hr. was.

Thanks,
-Ace

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Edited: My Winrate is correct.

I had this saved in Notepad
COMBINED:

NL 10/20 JUNE 1 - SEPT 25

ALL GAMES:

178,495 HANDS
$257,623.14

$144.33/100 HANDS = 7.22bb/100 = 3.61ptBB/100

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I don't think 8-10 PTBB/100 at 5/10 short is unreasonable.

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It is, over the long term.

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Answered my own question... was looking at general more detail instead of session notes more detail

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Most people have no idea of the swings in this game over 200k hands.

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I agree 100% with this, most people don't realise the swings that can come along at any level. Losing 10 buy ins over a few day period seemed like a virtual impossibility to me 18 months ago, now I know better.

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7.25BB/100. About 80k hands. Mainly 4-tabling.

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That's from another thread with El Diablo... anyone know what limit that is?


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Um, that was in a limit thread, and intended as a joke.

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I agree 100% with this, most people don't realise the swings that can come along at any level. Losing 10 buy ins over a few day period seemed like a virtual impossibility to me 18 months ago, now I know better.

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My bankroll had a 15 buyin swing over 24 hours in the last few days.

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up or down [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ?

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My bankroll had a 15 buyin swing over 24 hours in the last few days.

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Dear god.

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Down 8, then up 15, then down 5.

Crazy. The previous couple of days were much the same too.

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Discussing winrates over small sample sizes (e.g. less than 40K) isn't useful at all. Even at 40K, all your winrate really tells you is that your results are likely to be directionally correct.

Everybody grossly underestimates the degree variance influences their results when their running good, and grossly overestimates variance's effects when their running bad.
At one point you will run so good for such an extended period, you start thinking about whooping Spirit Rock heads-up at 100/200. Then at another point, you will run worse then you could've possibly have concieved for longer than you could possibly believe, and convince yourself poker is rigged.

When they talk about the long-term, it really is quite a long time.

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9 ptBB/100 @ 10-25 over 175k hands.

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Discussing winrates over small sample sizes (e.g. less than 40K) isn't useful at all. Even at 40K, all your winrate really tells you is that your results are likely to be directionally correct.

Everybody grossly underestimates the degree variance influences their results when their running good, and grossly overestimates variance's effects when their running bad.
At one point you will run so good for such an extended period, you start thinking about whooping Spirit Rock heads-up at 100/200. Then at another point, you will run worse then you could've possibly have concieved for longer than you could possibly believe, and convince yourself poker is rigged.

When they talk about the long-term, it really is quite a long time.

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all very true. my problem is i know all this, but when im looking at stats for a month and i have to round my decimal winrate up just to get a number, i get pissed off. losing 6 buy ins takes me from a happy rational place to a sad irrational one where i worry about my winrate. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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9 ptBB/100 @ 10-25 over 175k hands.

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shouldnt your name be La Diablo?

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gimmick accounts = dont go for vernacular accuracy

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gimmick accounts = dont go for vernacular accuracy

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They also suck at spelling.

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FWIW, I ran at 10ptbb/100 for my first 15k at 5/10, 7ptbb after 35k and was at 3.8 when I hit 55k.

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that's about the truest [censored] i've heard you say.