A9s I run into these type players quite a bit so...........
 

I am MP3 villan is CO. He bets and raise with nada, zip, ziltch nothing aat all. Nothing he did amazed me. He was more of a nusance than anything. Played almost every hand, raised flop and went to the river with all hands good or bad.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Re: A9s I run into these type players quite a bit so...........
 

Definitely bet the river. I'd consider making it 3 on the flop.

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Raise preflop.
Cap the flop.
Bet the turn.
Bet the river.

Why are you letting this maniac get off cheap? You're ahead here, make him pay to see a showdown.

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raise preflop.
donk the river.

i hope someone else could make suggestions for the flop and turn because i really want to put in another bet against this type of player because i think our hand is best.

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He bets and raise with nada, zip, ziltch nothing aat all. Nothing he did amazed me.

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why not bet the river then?

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I like your flop line but i would have bet the turn.

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I suck so don't mind me.
Against this type of player, I either 3 bet the flop, or c/r the turn if it's not a scare card, because he is so loose and agressive as you described, you cant give him credit just yet for a better hand than you have.

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I suck so don't mind me.
Against this type of player, I either 3 bet the flop, or c/r the turn if it's not a scare card, because he is so loose and agressive as you described, you cant give him credit just yet for a better hand than you have.

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I really dislike going for a turn check/raise on these types of boards villian is looking for a free card a big % of the time IMO.

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I like a turn donk against this opponent. Lead the river.

-Jaran

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I suck so don't mind me.
Against this type of player, I either 3 bet the flop, or c/r the turn if it's not a scare card, because he is so loose and agressive as you described, you cant give him credit just yet for a better hand than you have.

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I really dislike going for a turn check/raise on these types of boards villian is looking for a free card a big % of the time IMO.

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yeah you are right. Hero should probably lead the turn.

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I had intended to check raise the river. I had never seem him not bet to a check so.....

I did whimp on the turn. He could have almost anyhting. I would have checked and called dwon the river with the 9s. When Ace hit river I was planning the check raise.

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I think you gave up too early. And I bet this river.

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I like a turn donk against this opponent. Lead the river.

-Jaran

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Why do you feel a turn donk is superior to 3-beting the flop and leading the turn, or calling down if capped? How do you handle a turn raise?

I like raising pf, 3-betting the flop, and leading el rio until Jaran convinces me otherwise.

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Okay, I'm confused. The consensus here seems to be to bet the flop. I'm not sure why. We have mptk, but no redraw. The board is very coordinated, with a flush draw. What is the flop bet for? To get it heads up with villian? Any flush draws are coming along for the ride. Please help me understand this.

The way it was played, I think we need to 3-bet the flop and lead the rest of the way. We are heads up and think we've probably got the best hand, though villian could have anything.

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Raise preflop, have fun on the flop, lead river and have fun there too.

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why would you check-raise the river against a player that raises too much?

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With this guy, I think a good majority of the time I'm gonna be able to bet/3bet the turn. I wait because our equity changes dramatically flop/turn. With this read, until he caps the turn on a blank, in my mind he has nothing (and even a turn cap, I'm c/c'ing the river w/o improvement). I would rather do this on the turn than on the flop. And yes, raise pf.

-Jaran

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Why do you feel a turn donk is superior to 3-beting the flop and leading the turn, or calling down if capped? How do you handle a turn raise?


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i'll take a shot that any 8/J/Q/7/maybe a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would screw our hand. i think our hand goes from best to worst from flop to turn real quick.

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I like a turn donk against this opponent. Lead the river.

-Jaran

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Why do you feel a turn donk is superior to 3-beting the flop and leading the turn, or calling down if capped? How do you handle a turn raise?

I like raising pf, 3-betting the flop, and leading el rio until Jaran convinces me otherwise.

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Hi redd with 2nd pair and such a scary board and my inability to not showdown against a monkey like the villian is in this hand i really don't want the flop getting capped. With a stop and go i think we get just as much value out of villian don't give any free cards and avoid spewing chips with a marginal hand out of position but i don't have a problem with any line taken here as long as it includes betting the turn.

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This particular opponenet was betting and raising with absolutely nothing his raises and bets had no meaning. He played virtually every hand 23o was good enough for him and would play through the river with them betting and raising. So I think I have a monster hand at this point

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Okay, I'm confused. The consensus here seems to be to bet the flop. I'm not sure why. We have mptk, but no redraw. The board is very coordinated, with a flush draw. What is the flop bet for? To get it heads up with villian? Any flush draws are coming along for the ride. Please help me understand this.


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Betting the flop into the maniac with your MPTK is quite good, because it is likely that the maniac will raise and face the rest of the field with having to call 2 bets cold.

Then you have a good chance of playing heads up against the maniac, with probably the better hand.

A flush draw will still come along for the ride, but would prefer not to have to call 2 bets with only 2 other opponents.

Also you have up to 5 outs to improve to either trips or 2 pair, if your hand is not best.

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Against this player I would have reraised the flop. Since you did not, reraise the flop, you set up the perfect opportunity to check raise the turn.

Value bet the river, I doubt the spade helped him.

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Against this player I would have reraised the flop. Since you did not, reraise the flop, you set up the perfect opportunity to check raise the turn.

Value bet the river, I doubt the spade helped him.

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You think going for the c/r is worth the risk of having the turn check through? I think i would have to be darn sure he is betting any two here.

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Grunching:

Is this some sort of joke? You should be going to war with a hand as great as A9s against a maniac. Even UI you have a good chance of being best. But you flopped 2nd pair! And then you improved to aces up on the river and just checked? WTF? Are you sure you didn't typo and meant to say "CO is uber-rock who only bets with the stone cold nuts?"

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Thanks. I'm still not sure I want to bet this flop. A backdoor draw would help. I do tend to be a little weak-tight, but I'm learning.

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Against this player I would have reraised the flop. Since you did not, reraise the flop, you set up the perfect opportunity to check raise the turn.

Value bet the river, I doubt the spade helped him.

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You think going for the c/r is worth the risk of having the turn check through? I think i would have to be darn sure he is betting any two here.

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He bets and raise with nada, zip, ziltch nothing aat all.

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As for the turn SNG, I still don't see the advantage of waiting. We're obviously seeing a showdown. If he's a true maniac, capping the flop doesn't cost us a chance to exploit a larger equity edge on the turn since he'll bet/raise the turn anyways. So we might as well get the value-bets in on the flop too.
If he's not a true maniac, I'm not crazy about opening ourselves up to a turn cap with second pair.

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3bet flop
lead turn
lead river

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i checked intending for check raisse. I never saw him not bet. He checked behind me.

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So I think I have a monster hand at this point


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yeah you do, next time play it like it is